Container ship listing badly in Port of Seattle

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[Ramius]

A Container ship is listing badly while at the dock in the Port of Seattle. Coast Guard and ship owners investigating to figure out how to right it.

[OReilly]

When you get here, just start with Post #136 and click on 'TO: 135' and reiterate to quickly get the whole story.

[uglybiker]

It's a cuise ship hosting a Weight Watchers convention.

Tell them to center the buffet table over the keel.

[Orion]

When I downloaded this thread, I predicted that a reflexive-anti-union FReeper would blame the ILWU within 10 posts. I was wrong - it took 11.

[Carry_Okie]

a reflexive-anti-union FReeper would blame the ILWU within 10 posts

I am not aniti-union, but I am against union monopoly. I think it does more harm than good to organized labor.

I lived on the water in Oakland for a decade, in close proximity to a good number of longshoremen. When you have known as many of them as I have, some for over twenty years, and are aware of the shenanigans that go on in the port, the disgusting attitude of a largely coddled and lazy group who enforces their will to fatten their ample pockets by any means including violence, theft, smuggling, and insurance fraud, such a conclusion is obvious. So although your prediction was perhaps accurate, then one is left with a suspicion that is both warranted and founded.

[Erasmus]

Or make Rosie O'Donut the protagonist and call it "The Bulkhead."

[Z-28]

Thanks for the lifeboat info ... very interesting. We cruise a bit, but i've never seen one before in all our lifeboat drills.


Any updates on the new ship's listing problem?

[Nitro]

Of course you are probably 99.999% correct, but at this time I prefer to view everything through a jaundiced eye! Even if this is a benign incident, it could be a dry-run to test response and guage effectiveness!

Besides conspiracy theories make for interesting debate, we can call it civilian wargaming!!

[Robert A Cook PE]

I am, however, suspicious of why a container ship rolls (due to "accidental flooding" (through mis-aligned valves and piping)) immediately after a disputed, hate-filled longshoreman's strike that IS damaging the economy right when the democrats NEED the economy to fail ....

... when it was Bush's executive order hat put the longshoreman back to "work"...

... and that damaged ship crushed the nearest crane and put three others out of commission (and the dock) nearby.

[Nitro]

As it is pierside the roll could be due to simply an uneven bottom or if the flooding began on the "to" side and it settled before the flooding could find it's own level, it would have more influence on that side causing it to roll toward the pier and thereby damage the cranes in place.

How about that, now I'm being logical. At any rate there are several innocent reasons for the roll but the cause of flooding is still up in the air!!

Now you are getting the hang of it, be suspicious of everything... always question!!

[NorCoGOP]

I remember hitting a 60 degree roll in a storm in the pacific on a tiny tin can destroyer. The next morning, we noticed that the night sounding and security watchman's footprints in a passageway were about 4' up the bulkhead - he swore he stood there and was standing straight up...freaky.

And to think when I first reported onboard I thought it strange that the bunks all hat seat belts...

[Chemist_Geek]

and tell us... is this possible? Is it likely?

Is what likely? Listing ship causing chemical cargo to mix with fuel oil? Hmm, doubtful. More likely a long time ago.

If the materials are packaged properly for shipment, then their containers are designed to and will survive certain impacts and uncommon events without loss of integrity. I'm much more familiar with small volume shipments of chemicals than with bulk material handling. Furthermore, if we're looking at whether or not bulk ammonium nitrate can mix with fuel oil, I would wonder how the bunkerage got out into the hold or vice-versa.

Making ANFO is not as easy as Clinton and Reno would have you believe. The proportions have to be right; the consistency has to be right; and there is still the problem of setting it off. Perhaps aboard a ship there would be some source of ignition energy, but that would be merely bad luck.