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Martian Rock 'Does Contain Life'
BBC ^ | 10-23-2002 | Dr David Whitehouse

Posted on 10/23/2002 4:07:44 PM PDT by blam

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To: blam
I'm trying to get my head around even the idea that what they found is fossilized life from Mars. Such a find would have profound consequences in so many areas of our lives. It would be truly an amazing discovery, but until then I will let the scientists battle it out until there is some kind of consensus.
21 posted on 10/23/2002 4:52:36 PM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: Oberon
The big mystery about the search for life outside of our planet is this:

We search the heavens for patterns in radio waves assuming there will be intelligence behind those patterns. We look in rocks for patterns that remind us of bacteria or something similar to life on earth. But we look at DNA which is certainly a pattern with a massive amount of data and do not assume an intelligence behind it. We claim that evolved life is a product of random chance yet search rocks for similarities.

Scientific schizophrenia lives. A little logic, if applied, would go a long way.

22 posted on 10/23/2002 4:55:38 PM PDT by Dataman
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To: null and void
They say there was a shaker, but I didn't notice anything. It was apparently about 3 AM, which explains my lack of data.
23 posted on 10/23/2002 5:01:53 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: edwin hubble
And of course someone's been to mars and back with samples to compare them against.

There is nothing but spectoral data and that is just way too vague to base such a conclusion.

24 posted on 10/23/2002 5:09:59 PM PDT by freedom9
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To: BikerNYC
Such a find would have profound consequences in so many areas of our lives.

Yes, but assume that the galaxy is teeming with bacteria, inside every planet made of rock, anyway. It seems to be a safe assumption. Higher forms of life such as 'ahem' ourselves might be unique to earth. Assume that, and the consequences will work out with little turbulence.

25 posted on 10/23/2002 5:53:48 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: Texaggie79
***"Is there life on Mars?"***

No. - but send more probes. They're delicious.

26 posted on 10/23/2002 6:38:31 PM PDT by martian_22
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To: martian_22
Delicious? That's funny, because here, on earth, we say something is delicious when something is stuck in our MOUTH!
27 posted on 10/23/2002 6:43:26 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79; Paul Atreides
But look what happened when they dipped the organisms in water...Martians!

28 posted on 10/23/2002 6:46:42 PM PDT by ErnBatavia
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To: blam
Hopefully, some satanic sh!tbag 'religion' won't appear to worship this rock.

One 'rock from outer space worshipping' cult is plenty enough.

29 posted on 10/23/2002 6:48:25 PM PDT by Mulder
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To: ErnBatavia
Good grief! That looks like what popped out of John Hurt, in "Alien."
30 posted on 10/23/2002 6:51:56 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: blam
Here's an excerpt from an article by Hugh Ross. He predicted about a decade ago that life would eventually be discovered on Mars, but he has a different explanation than what is usually offered. The article can be found here: Life on Mars? (Part II)
Though I'm convinced that the origin of life defies a naturalistic explanation, I am expecting that life, or the remains of life, will eventually be discovered on Mars. My reason has nothing to do with spontaneous generation. It has everything to do with Mars' proximity to Earth.

Four years ago, on ABC's "Nightline" with Ted Koppel, two astronomers and a science journalist declared that the discovery of life on Mars would provide virtual proof that life does indeed originate and evolve, and quite easily, by natural processes. Here is their line of reasoning: So far, we know of life's existence on only one planet orbiting one star out of ten-billion-trillion stars in the cosmos. If life is found on Mars, we would know it exists on two planets, but not just any two planets, two planets orbiting the same star. Instead of just one life site out of ten-billion-trillion candidates, we would have two life sites out of nine (the nine planets of our solar system). Such a finding would suggest that life is abundant throughout our universe, abundant by spontaneous generation.

By their faulty reasoning and failure to acknowledge relevant data, these influential men are setting their audience up for a deception. The remains, at least, of many micro-organisms are likely to be found on Mars for no other reason than that Mars is only thirty-five million miles away from Earth. In other words, these zealous evolutionists, bent on searching for life on Mars, seem to ignore important facts about the transportability and survivability of Earth life forms.


31 posted on 10/23/2002 7:02:03 PM PDT by Mr. Mulliner
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To: blam
It seems to me that it oughtn't be prohibitively expensive nor complicated to send a probe (or several) equipped with a scooping mechanism, a microscope with a CCD and a transmitter to microscopically examine samples of Martian soil in fine detail and beam the pics back home.

Perhaps such could be added to an existing planned mission.

32 posted on 10/23/2002 7:07:58 PM PDT by Riley
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To: Texaggie79
Eeeeyyyuuuu...(galactic standard expression)

Thanks for that image earthling. Not those probes.

I say again - eeeeyyyuuuu.

33 posted on 10/23/2002 7:26:29 PM PDT by martian_22
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To: aruanan
A big asteroid impact will cause some ejecta to be kicked out into space.

Okay, let's say I grant you, for the sake of argument, that a meteor strike on Mars could cause some rocks to achieve escape velocity. Then there's two more issues:

  1. How could evidence of life survive the passage of the rock into the Earth's atmosphere? It will be heated to incandescence during the process. I suppose it could be a piece of a larger chunk that survived re-entry.
  2. Such rocks don't come with return addresses. Isn't it really a WAG that it came from Mars originally?

34 posted on 10/24/2002 6:24:14 AM PDT by Oberon
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To: Oberon
How could evidence of life survive the passage of the rock into the Earth's atmosphere? It will be heated to incandescence during the process. I suppose it could be a piece of a larger chunk that survived re-entry

Actually, only the very outside of a meteorite is heated -- small parts melt and get blown away (called ablation), but the interior stays quite cool. The same principle worked with the Apollo spacecraft, returning from the Moon.

Such rocks don't come with return addresses. Isn't it really a WAG that it came from Mars originally?

It's a complicated story, but basically, Mars meteorites have chemistry and ages consistent with coming from Mars, but not the asteroids. What really nailed it down was the discovery in these rocks of minute bits of argon gas whose isotopic composition identically matches the atmosphere of Mars, as determined by the Viking 1 spacecraft 25 years ago.

35 posted on 10/24/2002 6:35:05 AM PDT by Cincinatus
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To: RightWhale
Escape velocity on Mars is ~5km per second; escape velocity on Earth is ~11km per second. More like twice as easily...
36 posted on 10/24/2002 7:43:33 AM PDT by Junior
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To: Cincinatus
Thanks.
37 posted on 10/24/2002 8:07:00 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Junior
For extra credit on this assignment, add the effect of atmospheric drag.
38 posted on 10/24/2002 9:14:20 AM PDT by RightWhale
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