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Cockfighting measure on ballot
AP/The Seattle Times ^ | 10/19/02 | Ron Jenkins

Posted on 10/19/2002 12:09:22 PM PDT by ppaul

OKLAHOMA CITY — Animal-rights activism is colliding head-on with rural tradition in Oklahoma, where voters will decide Nov. 5 whether to ban cockfighting in one of the last three states to allow the bloody spectacle.

Supporters of the proposed ban say cockfighting is inhumane and gives the state a bad name. Opponents say the sport, also legal in Louisiana and New Mexico, is a livelihood for people who raise the birds and is no crueler than the way chickens are raised and slaughtered.

Cockfighting became legal in Oklahoma in 1963, when the state Court of Criminal Appeals ruled that a fowl is not an animal and thus is exempt from state law against animal fighting.

Specially bred gamecocks are fitted with razor-sharp spurs or knives. They are placed in dirt pits and often fight to the death. Illegal gambling is often the big draw.

"It's barbaric — abject cruelty to animals," said Janet Halliburton, who led the petition drive to put the measure on the ballot. "It makes us look like a bunch of knuckle-dragging animal abusers."

Oklahoma is one of three states with animal-welfare initiatives placed on the Nov. 5 ballot through citizen petition drives.

• In Florida, voters will consider a proposed amendment that would make the state the first to outlaw the practice of confining pregnant pigs in small metal cages.

• In Arkansas, voters will decide whether to make the state the 38th with felony penalties for extreme acts of animal cruelty.

Most Oklahomans never have seen a cockfight, and polls show the ban is likely to pass by a wide margin. Still, two of three gubernatorial candidates, Democratic state Sen. Brad Henry and independent Gary Richardson, oppose the ban. Republican Steve Largent favors it.

Outgoing Gov. Frank Keating has endorsed the measure, saying, "It is simply embarrassing to Oklahoma to be seen as one of only a tiny handful of locations outside of the Third World where this activity is legal."

However, a former governor, David Walters, opposes the measure, saying it would halt a source of income for some impoverished rural communities.

"Some of these people are dead-dog poor, and I have a hard time telling them we're going to take your livelihood away," he said.

James Tally, president of the Oklahoma Game Fowl Breeders Association, said cockfighters are mischaracterized as animal abusers.

"It's hard for people to understand that a less cruel way of life for these roosters is the way we raise them and take care of them," said Tally, a railroad worker from Kingston.

Nancy Savage, 54, a former teacher who grew up going to cockfights, now edits an industry newsletter, The Cock 'N Bull. Gamecocks, she said, are well-fed, sheltered and often live to be 4 or 5 years old, "compared to those in the poultry houses, who are 5 or 6 months old when they hit the chopping block."

She said cockfighters "are some of the finest people I've ever met" and include doctors, lawyers, preachers, postmasters and firefighters.

The measure on the Oklahoma ballot would make it a felony to hold cockfights, keep equipment or facilities for cockfighting or possess birds for cockfighting. The penalty would be up to 10 years in prison.

Attempts to outlaw cockfighting in New Mexico and Louisiana have failed.


AP - Naconna Bennett, 16, holds a sharp blade that is one of the cockfighting tools he owns in McAlester, Okla. Specially bred gamecocks are fitted with the blades, then placed in dirt pits to fight, often to the death. Oklahoma voters will decide Nov. 5 whether to ban the bloody sport.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Arkansas; US: Louisiana; US: New Mexico; US: Oklahoma; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: animalrights; chickens; cock; cockfight; cockfighting; cocks; peta; rooster
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To: sinkspur
It's a dog eat dog world. Always has been. Get used to it.
61 posted on 11/04/2002 7:57:28 AM PST by per loin
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To: HairOfTheDog
The first post of mine you responded to should have told you I am not a vegan:

Not necessarily. Even Vegans are responsible for the death of plants.

How we treat the lowest things, the helpless things, is the true test of our humanity.

It might be one test. Another is how we treat other people who have done us no harm.

So yes, I am a meat eater. But that does not free me from any responsibility to be humane to animals, even those I would kill for food. Hunters do not seek the most painful and slow death achievable for their prey, but the swiftest and cleanest death. Because good hunters have honor. I can't believe I have to explain this. You see, when we have the power to abuse a life but choose instead to treat it with respect, THEN we are human.

I contend that people who raise fighting Cocks treat them with much greater respect than most chickens are treated with. They are prized and coddled most of their life. The people who are in the cock fighting culture that I talked to said most of the time, the chickens are not killed, and usually the fights are very quick. How many people in this culture have you talked to?

Cockfighting is not about a carnivore versus prey, this is about using animals as bloodsport simply our entertainment.

Hunting is not about entertainment? That really tender slice of feed lot fed beef is not about having just the right taste (entertainment) when range fed beef is healthier for you?

Blood should not be drawn lightly as if it has no value. And throwing two animals together in a box with blades strapped to their legs and cheering them as they slice each other in a fight for their lives has no value. And values are what we, as humans set for ourselves.

Again, have you ever attended a Cock fight? I have. One, in Panama. It was a fight to first blood, there were no metal spurs, a small drop of blood was drawn from a tiny wound, and the Cocks were taken from the fight. I suspect that the caricatures of Cock fighting that you have seen are no more valid than the propaganda about 10 children a day under the age of 5 dying in handgun accidents. Was this video or videos produced by PETA or another animal rights group? Have you seen any produced by people in the Cockfighting culture?

Don't give me crap about just being a control freak. Are you an anarchist? - Then you are at least consistent. If you are not, then yes, society does make rules for itself about what is acceptable and what is not. We only argue about which rules and how many.

I believe in the golden rule. You may do as you wish as long as you do not initialte force or fraud against others. There are a lot of rules that societies make that are unjust, unwise, and merely tradition. Only a very few years ago, homosexuality was against the law, and many people were jailed because of it. I do not think that matters such as this should be put to a majority vote. Those who support such measures should demonstrate harm to particular individuals who are not consenting. I do not consider livestock to be consenting individuals.

This initiative, in my opinion, has nothing to do with the welfare or suffering of the chickens. If it did, it would be about insuring that the fights were humane, that injured chickens were quickly put down, to prevent suffering, perhaps regulations about whether artificial spurs could be used. It is about none of these things.

The proponents of this initiative see a cheap victory in their war on rural culture. They hate people who are different than themselves, particularily people who have a different view of reality. Please convince me that I am wrong. Show me the regulatory attempts to insure that Cockfighting is humane, rather than to ban it.

62 posted on 11/04/2002 5:53:09 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain
I live in one of the 47 states where it is already illegal, so this issue is not before me to decide.

I disagree with you on its value. And I am not wavering. Nice try though!
63 posted on 11/04/2002 6:18:40 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: marktwain
The proponents of this initiative see a cheap victory in their war on rural culture. They hate people who are different than themselves

Hate may be too strong a word.
But the elitists think they're better than everyone else, and they envision themselves as knowing better how the world ought to be run than the unwashed, uncivilized, masses.

64 posted on 11/04/2002 7:12:51 PM PST by ppaul
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To: ppaul
Cockfighting measure on ballot

Rep. Barney Frank and Cardinal Bernard Law have reportedly greased up their zippers in preparation....

65 posted on 11/04/2002 7:45:47 PM PST by Itzlzha
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To: newcats
get a life...you need to leave mommy and daddy.
66 posted on 11/07/2002 9:40:59 PM PST by CreekerFreeper
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