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Nation's last major shirt plant closes, production moves overseas
AP via Boston.com ^ | 10/18/2002 15:49 | David Sharp

Posted on 10/18/2002 3:58:43 PM PDT by ozone1

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:08:26 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

WATERVILLE, Maine (AP) A last-ditch attempt to save the nation's last major shirt manufacturing plant ran out of steam as sewing machines came to a halt Friday at the plant whose shirts were made world-famous by the man-with-an-eyepatch logo.

C.F. Hathaway, which has been making shirts in Maine for 165 years, will go the way of Arrow and Van Heusen, once strong competitors whose shirts are now being made overseas.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; US: Maine
KEYWORDS: hathaway; maine; taxes; taxreform
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To: glc1173@aol.com
Your North Carolina companies are a sellout. They want the business to go overseas, at least our town will fight to keep American jobs, but your big Renfro (ect.) manufactors just want to go overseas. That is why they are pushing to get CBI passed. They can then have the socks made over there (and yarn shipped duty free) over there for pennies on the dollar. Their competition is Fort Payne, AN AMERICAN MADE SOCK. They just want unfair advantages over us. Again I say, to hell with your congress (republican) lady.
81 posted on 10/18/2002 9:06:06 PM PDT by LowOiL
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To: FITZ
Where will the money for our government come from when all the businesses and jobs leave? Will social programs for our so-called poor get cut ---and if so then what happens?

Eliminate farm subsidies. Shelling out money year after year so that Archer Daniels Midland can stick it in their pockets is ridiculous.

82 posted on 10/18/2002 9:06:50 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: ozone1
When Henry Ford was critizied for the wages he was paying the workers at his plant by other industrial leaders he said, "I want the people who work for me to be able to buy the product they make and I sell". There are not very many american industrial leaders around like him.
83 posted on 10/18/2002 9:16:15 PM PDT by mississippi red-neck
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To: FITZ
I remember hearing complaints about union wages when they were getting $20 an hour but new cars only cost $5,000 then. Ironically when it's people making $1 an hour making cars they cost $20,000.

Well there is an important reason for this, the regulations and environmental hoops a car must go through before it's approved by the EPA. All those airbags and Anti-pollution controls add about $10,000 to the cost of a car. I'm not saying this is good or bad, but simply that you're correct in saying labor costs aren't the cause of the high costs. I'm not sure what the answer is but with the loss of all these jobs the middle class is becoming an endangered species. Our kids and grandkids will be living in a country much like present day Brazil.

84 posted on 10/18/2002 9:25:45 PM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: Rebelbase
VF announced plant closings in OK, Va and MO yesterday, also.

I opened my 401K statement yesterday and it all looked pretty bad. We were told that NAFTA and globalism would bring us huge financial rewards and we've had years of NAFTA and globalism already -- so where are the huge financial rewards? Even Texas is facing a $5 to $12 billion dollar state budget deficit and we aren't even democrat state. At least California has a good excuse for it's deficit.

85 posted on 10/18/2002 9:26:54 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: YankeeReb
The government regulations and hoops to jump through are much of the reason behind the high cost in health care also. Another thing Mexicans and Chinese don't have to worry about so can earn less money.
86 posted on 10/18/2002 9:29:26 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: sinkspur
Eliminate farm subsidies.

In Mexico they're protesting for more farm subsidies. It seems that if the Mexican government subsidizes it's farmers more and we eliminate farm subsidies, it will be tough on our farms.

87 posted on 10/18/2002 9:33:29 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: ozone1
Why are you worried?

Don't you know that Governor Baldacci has a plan to raise taxes to attract business?

88 posted on 10/19/2002 2:57:58 AM PDT by metesky
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To: Principled

89 posted on 10/19/2002 3:06:03 AM PDT by metesky
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To: Joe Hadenuf
These major companies and corporations have zero allegiance to our country or the American people. Zero......

Companies and corporations have a duty to their stockholders (the real owners) to make a profit. If onerous Federal and state taxes make it impossible for any business to turn a profit they will seek greener pastures.

Money is fungible and knows no borders.

The fact of the matter is that no workers in the world can outproduce American workers, so the blame rests squarely on gooberment at all levels.

90 posted on 10/19/2002 3:14:33 AM PDT by metesky
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To: SheLion
That's what you get when you leave things to (La)chance.
91 posted on 10/19/2002 3:20:20 AM PDT by metesky
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To: sinkspur
Companies are in business to make money for their owners and shareholders. Period.

They are. But another component of that has to be wages and working conditions that are adequate for a worker to have a decent lifestyle. Unions, government restrictions, and shareholder concerns address that, to keep things in balance.

You want to "do something for the American people"? Open your own business and compete.

Have you checked the prices in discount stores? Shirts, blouses, sweatshirts, (decent quality and style) can be bought for $3 and under. That isn't a fair playing field for competition. It's competition from foreign sources that don't maintain any reasonable standard for their workers. It's bringing our standard of living down, when huge segments of the population can't make a living wage.

Globalization isn't working (pun intended) for a lot of US workers. Those that said it would bring up standards for workers worldwide might've been correct, but at the expense of the US.

Its corporate bottom line vs. lifestyle in the US. That's the bubble that has to burst. I'd prefer to see us go back to a world with borders, and tarriffs, and controlled immigration, and jobs people could depend on, and safety. (End of dinosaur rant)

92 posted on 10/19/2002 3:30:07 AM PDT by grania
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To: Willie Green
Cramer comes on our local talk radio at 6:oo PM after Howie Carr.

Sometimes I forget, but Cramer's voice always reminds me that it's time to shut the radio off and shoot downstairs to watch Brit Hume.

93 posted on 10/19/2002 3:39:50 AM PDT by metesky
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To: grania
Globalization isn't working (pun intended) for a lot of US workers. Those that said it would bring up standards for workers worldwide might've been correct, but at the expense of the US.

That's because, like all good socialist programs, globalization is not intended to bring everyone up to our level, but rather to bring us down to theirs.

Then we'll all be equal, don't 'cha know.

94 posted on 10/19/2002 3:52:52 AM PDT by metesky
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To: Willie Green
You'll find most everything falls between $8.00 and $13.00 per hour average

Looks like you may have identified wages, but what about all the other worker costs. It appears to me you've also chosen to distort.

95 posted on 10/19/2002 3:58:47 AM PDT by laredo44
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To: Willie Green
but I don't think $4 an hour Mexican labor is in our national interest either

Our personal interest adn our collective interest are best served by free markets. Anything else increases inefficiency and corruption.

96 posted on 10/19/2002 4:11:52 AM PDT by laredo44
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To: IronJack
To set the record straight, I did not say that the factory workers in Maine were making $40 an hour.

Not to worry, Jack, some of us understood you. I also think if the protectionism being advanced by some here were to become enacted, it wouldn't be long before wages did approach that $40 per.

97 posted on 10/19/2002 4:20:55 AM PDT by laredo44
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To: FITZ
My point is that as labor costs go up, it can surely come as no surprise that profits decline,

Except when you look at better paid laborers = more potential customers. NAFTA sends all these jobs to Mexico where they pay $30 a week but that $30 doesn't allow for them to purchase much past a very small apartment and basic food.

If I read your argument correctly, FITZ, you seem to be saying moving jobs to Mexico is actually reducing companies' profit. Can you elaborate a bit more? I remember reading that Henry Ford raised auto worker wages to $5 a day so they could afford to buy his product in anticipation that would, long term, increase profits.

Your point about the Mexican pay being litle more than basic rent and food would impress me more if the Mexicans didn't seem to desire it so much. We all have to start somewhere and your point reminds me of those who squeal over Founding Father hypocricy because some owned slaves. Indeed, we all have to start somewhere, and it generally isn't the penthouse.

98 posted on 10/19/2002 4:37:06 AM PDT by laredo44
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To: Joe Hadenuf
And so went the way of American manufacturing, for the big dollars, as the folks at home, in America, struggle to work at Wal-Mart for $7.00 bucks an hour, as Mom and Dads wages shrink down the path of servitude.

Life a bit of a downer for you, Joe? Glass perpetually half-empty?

99 posted on 10/19/2002 4:40:13 AM PDT by laredo44
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To: mississippi red-neck
When Henry Ford was critizied for the wages he was paying the workers at his plant by other industrial leaders he said, "I want the people who work for me to be able to buy the product they make and I sell". There are not very many american industrial leaders around like him.

Why complain about what other are not? If you want it, you should do it.

100 posted on 10/19/2002 4:47:34 AM PDT by laredo44
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