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Say "yes" to War Against Iraq
The Stranger ^ | Oct.17,2002 | Dan Savage

Posted on 10/17/2002 1:27:21 PM PDT by Molly Pitcher

SAY "YES" TO WAR ON IRAQ

by Dan Savage

Liberals Against Liberation

"No to War! No to Oppression!"

The above anti-war message was delivered to me via a sad-looking pink poster. I pulled the poster off a light pole and hung it in my office over my desk. I look at the poster every day when I sit down to work, and every day I wonder how and when the American left lost its moral compass.

You see, lefties, there are times when saying "no" to war means saying "yes" to oppression. Don't believe me? Go ask a Czech or a European Jew about the British and French saying "no" to war with Germany in 1938. War may be bad for children and other living things, but there are times when peace is worse for children and other living things, and this is one of those times. Saying no to war in Iraq means saying yes to the continued oppression of the Iraqi people. It amazes me when I hear lefties argue that we should assassinate Saddam in order to avoid war. If Saddam is assassinated, he will be replaced by another Baathist dictator--and what then for the people of Iraq? More "peace"--i.e., more oppression, more executions, more gassings, more terror, more fear.

While the American left is content to see an Iraqi dictator terrorizing the Iraqi people, the Bushies in D.C. are not. "We do not intend to put American lives at risk to replace one dictator with another," Dick Cheney recently told reporters. For those of you who were too busy making papier-mâché puppets of George W. Bush last week to read the papers, you may have missed this page-one statement in last Friday's New York Times: "The White House is developing a detailed plan, modeled on the postwar occupation of Japan, to install an American-led military government in Iraq if the United States topples Saddam Hussein."

These developments--a Republican administration recognizing that support for dictators in Third World countries is a losing proposition; a commitment to post-WWII-style nation-building in Iraq--are terrific news for people who care about human rights, freedom, and democracy. They also represent an enormous moral victory for the American left, which has long argued that our support for "friendly" dictators around the world was immoral. (Saddam used to be one of those "friendly" dictators.) After 9/11, the left argued that our support for brutal dictatorships in the Middle East helped create anti-American hatred. Apparently the Bush administration now agrees--so why isn't the American left claiming this victory?

Because claiming this victory means backing this war, and the American left refuses to back this or any war--which makes the left completely irrelevant in any conversation about the advisability or necessity of a particular war. (Pacifism is faith, not politics.) What's worse, the left argues that our past support for regimes like Saddam's prevents us from doing anything about Saddam now. We supported (and in some cases installed) tyrants, who in turn created despair, which in turn created terrorists, who came over here and blew shit up... so now what do we do? According to the left, we do nothing. It's all our fault, so we're just going to have to sit back and wait for New York City or D.C. or a big port city (like, say, Seattle or Portland) to disappear.

It seems to me that if supporting tyrants creates terrorists, withdrawing our support from those very same tyrants might help to "uncreate" terrorists. Removing the tyrants from power seems an even better way to uncreate terrorists.

But wait! Taking out Saddam means dropping bombs, and dropping bombs only creates more terrorists!

That's the lefty argument du jour, and a lot of squish-brains are falling for it, but it's not an argument that the historical record supports. The United States dropped a hell of a lot of bombs on Serbia, Panama, Grenada, Vietnam, Germany, Japan, and Italy. If dropping bombs creates terrorists, where are all the German terrorists? Or the Italian terrorists? Or the Vietnamese terrorists?

But wait! Iraq isn't in cahoots with al Qaeda, so why attack Iraq in the war on terrorism?

Because we're not just at war with al Qaeda, stupid. We're at war with a large and growing Islamo-fascist movement that draws its troops and funds from all over the Islamic world. Islamo-fascism is a regional problem, not just an al Qaeda problem or an Afghanistan problem. To stop Islamo-fascism, we're going to have to roll back all of the tyrannous and dictatorial regimes in the Middle East while simultaneously waging war against a militant, deadly religious ideology. To be completely honest, I would actually prefer that the United States go to war against the ridiculous royal family in Saudi Arabia. The Saudis have been using American money to export their intolerant and deadly strain of Islam all over the world (the kind of Islam that inspires people to blow up discos in Bali), and getting rid of the Saudi royal family and their fascist clerics makes more sense than getting rid of Saddam. But the Saudis are our "allies," so perhaps we can pressure them to reform, as Josh Feit suggests.

In the meantime, invading and rebuilding Iraq will not only free the Iraqi people, it will also make the Saudis aware of the consequences they face if they continue to oppress their own people while exporting terrorism and terrorists. The War on Iraq will make it clear to our friends and enemies in the Middle East (and elsewhere) that we mean business: Free your people, reform your societies, liberalize, and democratize... or we're going to come over there, remove you from power, free your people, and reform your societies for ourselves.

Post-9/11, post-Bali, what other choice do we have?


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: antiwarleft; iraq; looneyleft; peaceniks
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Andrew Sullivan linked this article on his site, and I thought it was worthwhile to post in its entirety.
1 posted on 10/17/2002 1:27:22 PM PDT by Molly Pitcher
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To: All
Here's Sullivan's reply to Dan's mostly rhetorical question:

Because, Dan, these people hate Bush more than they care about the fate of the oppressed people they pretend to care about. Or because they have deeper suspicions about the U.S. than about Saddam's Iraq. Yep, they're that depraved and out of it.

2 posted on 10/17/2002 1:29:48 PM PDT by Molly Pitcher
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To: dittomom; Miss Marple; Dog; Mr. Mulliner; lysie; ohioWfan
FYI.
3 posted on 10/17/2002 1:31:57 PM PDT by Molly Pitcher
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To: Molly Pitcher
YES.
4 posted on 10/17/2002 1:46:25 PM PDT by b4its2late
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To: Molly Pitcher; b4its2late
YES!

Can we nuke then now???

5 posted on 10/17/2002 1:53:18 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Molly Pitcher
He gets it! A liberal gets it!!

Dan Savage is an odd sort of liberal. He believes in personal responsibility and individual accountability, and his columns almost uniformly concentrate on telling people who are having "issues" to suck it up and take it like an adult. If he wasn't a fellow resident of Seattle, and wasn't overwhelmingly gay, he'd be a most welcome member of the Right (as far as I'm concerned, he's welcome anyway).

Dan Savage is a very prominent voice in a very left-leaning, anti-war city (we have the dishonor of not only electing Baghdad Jim, but hailing him as a hero for his pro-Hussein comments). To know that he is stumping for a pro-war stance is going to make the heads of many liberal idiots explode.

Hopefully they'll be too confused and disoriented to even go to the polls on Nov 5. Here's hoping.
6 posted on 10/17/2002 1:55:21 PM PDT by Omedalus
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To: Dog
yeah, I need a few pices of six foot thick, 8 feet wide sheets of glass for my solar porch out back.
7 posted on 10/17/2002 1:56:16 PM PDT by PokeyJoe
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To: Molly Pitcher
Yes, as to Iraq and North Korea.
8 posted on 10/17/2002 1:56:59 PM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: Omedalus
Thanks for the background! Very significant, and following on the heels of a few other rare, enlightened, truth-seeking libs.
9 posted on 10/17/2002 2:02:38 PM PDT by Molly Pitcher
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To: BikerNYC
"Yes, as to Iraq and North Korea."

Why stop there? What about Iran? Syria? Libya? Saudi Arabia? Cuba? China?

Sudan? Zimbabwe?
10 posted on 10/17/2002 2:21:12 PM PDT by Mark Bahner
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To: Omedalus
Dan Savage is an odd sort of liberal.

I'll say. Isn't he the guy that was licking doorknobs at Gary Bauer's campaign HQ trying to give people his cold? Does he still write that sex column for the Onion?

Not saying he's not right here, but let's not get carried away embracing the guy because he agrees with us on one issue.

11 posted on 10/17/2002 2:24:29 PM PDT by Cable225
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To: Molly Pitcher
"Post-9/11, post-Bali, what other choice do we have?"

Answer: One choice would be: Get the U.S. military the h#ll out of Saudi Arabia. And Kuwait. And every other country in the world. Stop giving aid to Israel. And Egypt. And the Palestinians. And everyone else in the world. Actually enforce immigration requirements. (Virtually every single 9/11 hijacker had a visa application that didn't even come *close* to meeting requirements of existing U.S. law.)

There's virtually ALWAYS several solutions to any problem.
12 posted on 10/17/2002 2:29:05 PM PDT by Mark Bahner
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To: Omedalus
Dan is funny as hell, and not afraid to take his own people to task. He's spent quite a bit of his sex column berating gays for being promiscuous 'skanks.'

He is a lefty, but at least he has the balls to draw his own conclusions and stand behind them.
13 posted on 10/17/2002 2:39:15 PM PDT by Britton J Wingfield
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To: Cable225
He joked about licking those doorknobs, but did he actually do it? I mean, I wouldn't put it past him... :)

Yes, he still writes that sex column (this week's is kind of lame). It's for The Stranger, but it's reprinted in The Onion's media section. I've been reading it every week for years. :)

That column is one of the reasons I dig him so much. He places very high priority on people taking responsibility for their actions and being honest with themselves. And he has zero tolerance for evasiveness or simple plain stupidity.

For example, about a year ago he ran a "How'd That Happen!?" rant in which, week after week, he'd tear into people who claimed that they "accidentally" stumbled across some sick fetish they might have. "No, (name of reader), you didn't 'accidentally' discover that you're into (description of deviant sexual act). You were curious about it, you fantasized about it, you tried it out, and you found you liked it. Does that make you a pervert? Yes. Deal with it."

So, obviously, he's far from conservative and Republican. He still unabashedly insults Ann Coulter (in the most irrelevant possible ways), he still swears up and down that Bush shouldn't have won the election, and he's still... well... flamingly homosexual (something I don't give a d*mn about, but I know a lot of religious conservatives do).

But he doesn't let people get off the hook for their own mistakes. He doesn't let people blame "society" or "cirumstances" or "the vast right-wing conspiracy" for things they did wrong. He and the majority of the right-wing base might disagree on what qualifies as "wrong", but he seems to understand that, whatever we view as "wrong", we should apply equally to everybody.

He seems to understand that free-willed, full-grown adults should be treated as such. I believe that sets him far apart from the vast majority of the Left. I'm not embracing him as a member of the Right; quite the contrary, I'm glad he's a member of the Left, where the mindless masses might actually listen to him. Those folks can use a little more wisdom.

14 posted on 10/17/2002 3:14:12 PM PDT by Omedalus
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To: Mark Bahner
Good point.
15 posted on 10/17/2002 3:24:09 PM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: BikerNYC
"Good point."

My point was entirely sarcastic. Let me take a wild guess, and assume that you are not likely to actually serve in combat anywhere? And that you have no child or grandchild likely to see combat?
16 posted on 10/17/2002 3:37:25 PM PDT by Mark Bahner
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To: Mark Bahner
I know your point was sarcastic, as was mine.
17 posted on 10/17/2002 4:27:09 PM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: Molly Pitcher
Needs to be repeated"

Because, Dan, these people hate Bush more than they care about the fate of the oppressed people they pretend to care about.

Bingo!!!

18 posted on 10/17/2002 4:52:57 PM PDT by lysie
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To: BikerNYC
"I know your point was sarcastic, as was mine."

Exactly which one of your "points" was sarcastic? The "point" about invading Iraq and North Korea?

If that "point" wasn't sarcastic...why would you stop at North Korea? Why not Iran? And what about Saudi Arabia? That's the very home of Wahhabi fanaticism.
19 posted on 10/17/2002 4:55:57 PM PDT by Mark Bahner
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To: Mark Bahner
We'll get to them all in good time, just better to pick our targets wisely. The way I figure it, the war with Iraq will inflame the whole Muslim world, which will just make our targets stand out better. Very soon, the despots we've been paying off (Mubarak, for instance), or the ones we've tolerated (anybody in the Saudi royal family) will be overthrown by fundamentalist Islamics, and we won't officially have to put up with them anymore.

Neither World War I or II started simultaneously in all affected parts of the globe, why should this one?

20 posted on 10/17/2002 5:10:23 PM PDT by hunter112
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