To: MadIvan
Yes, but a devout Muslim would have nothing to do with Tarot. I just can't buy this scenario, even though I would prefer to think that we don't have a case of an American killing his fellow Americans.
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To: anniegetyourgun
Yes, but a devout Muslim would have nothing to do with Tarot As I understand it, the "Death" card was chosen. I don't know if there is a specific religious prohibition in using Tarot cards to send messages. I would suggest the prohibition exists on using the Tarot cards to predict the future.
Regards, Ivan
5 posted on
10/14/2002 2:51:31 AM PDT by
MadIvan
To: anniegetyourgun
Just like a devout Muslim would have nothing to do with strip clubs and lap dancers like the 911 hijackers visited the night before, eh?
To: anniegetyourgun
Yes, but a devout Muslim would have nothing to do with Tarot I thought Tarot had roots in islam, or at least the arab world.
prisoner6
8 posted on
10/14/2002 2:53:30 AM PDT by
prisoner6
To: anniegetyourgun
Yes, but a devout Muslim would have nothing to do with Tarot Nor would a devout Muslim patronize an infidel strip club. But that didn't stop Muhammed Atta.
9 posted on
10/14/2002 2:53:40 AM PDT by
thedugal
To: anniegetyourgun
a devout muslim would also not hang out in the nudie bars like the jerks in fla did
To: anniegetyourgun
Yes, but a devout Muslim would have nothing to do with Tarot.
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Anyone can drop a Tarot card to create a phony clue. Even a devout Muslim.
23 posted on
10/14/2002 3:04:25 AM PDT by
dennisw
To: anniegetyourgun
A devote Muslim would have nothing to do with a strip club, but that is PRECISELY where Mohummed Atta and his cohorts spent their time before murdering 3000 people.
To: anniegetyourgun; MadIvan
Yes, but a devout Muslim would have nothing to do with Tarot. I gather you have not been following the threads of the past few days
and the long discussions about Tarot cards.
Tarot cards were brought to Europe by the Arabs.
Tarot cards are popular in several Moslem countries
and someone posted a cartoon from a Palestinian newspaper
that featured a Tarot card.
(My wife, who comes from a Moslem Turkish family in Cyprus
tells me Tarot cards are popular amongst the Turks in Northern Cyprus)
35 posted on
10/14/2002 3:35:29 AM PDT by
Nogbad
To: anniegetyourgun
Yes, but a devout Muslim would have nothing to do with Tarot.If it is an Islamic terrorist, it's not his religion that's motivating him to do this.
To: anniegetyourgun; MadIvan; AmericanInTokyo; AmericanVictory; BullDog108; thedugal; Revelation 911
A devout Muslim, who is practising Jihad, can lie, decieve and say or act how he wants to infidels in the course of his "mission".
The perps of 911 did this regularly to fit into the society and look like anything but what they were.
Do not let the Tarot card be the issue that sways you. If it is a cell of terrorists, it could easily be a ruse of feint.
The way this sniper has acted has been exceedingly smart and has been exceedingly successful in creating terror. e cannot, we dare not underestimate them. IMHO, it is clearly not some kind of a "whack-job". It is much more like a stone cold professional, not attached emotionally, going about what he/they consider a "job" behind enemy lines.
Whom ever it is is acring much more like a Special Forces group on a mission than any whack-job or serial killer IMHO.
Now it could be a killer with those skills. But the more I hear and see, the more I think not. Partricularly with an accomplice. Just my opinion, and I hope I am wrong ... but if it is a terrorist, I believe they are creating a "play book" for others to use in the future.
To: anniegetyourgun
Yes, but a devout Muslim would have nothing to do with Tarot. Devout muslims wouldn't do a lot of things that the terrorists do.
50 posted on
10/14/2002 4:20:19 AM PDT by
Samwise
To: anniegetyourgun
Yes, but a devout Muslim would have nothing to do with Tarot.. Annie..Muslims are allowed to break all normal rules in the name of Jihad which would include bars, prostitutes and even tarot cards. This has been discussed in previous threads.
54 posted on
10/14/2002 4:33:07 AM PDT by
evad
To: anniegetyourgun
If I was a Jihadist commando intent on disrupting things, (note, he is not a suicide type) I would be doing all kinds of things to throw off the defense. Dropping various shell casings, changing vehicles, changing locations, changing MO's. You're here shooting people all over the place, why would dropping a tarot card be out of bounds?
The idea is to cause destruction for as long as possible and NOT get caught.
To: anniegetyourgun
Yes, but a devout Muslim would have nothing to do with Tarot. Not all terrorists--even Arab terrorists--are devout Muslims.
The PLO, PFLP, Abu Nidal Organization, etc., are radical secular groups which originally had Marxist ideologies abnd Soviet sympathies.
Also, a devout Muslim wouldn't hang out at strip clubs, either, but Mohammed Atta did.
To: anniegetyourgun
Yes, but a devout Muslim would have nothing to do with Tarot.It's hard for me to imagine a strict Muslim saying, "I am God" either.
To: anniegetyourgun
Yes, but a devout Muslim would have nothing to do with TarotDidn't they also say, after 9/11, that devout muslims would not go to strip clubs too? Didn't they say that witnesses saw them in strip clubs?
119 posted on
10/14/2002 6:22:43 AM PDT by
Mixer
To: anniegetyourgun
Would a devout Muslim go to a strip bar and get drunk before flying planes into civilian targets?
To: anniegetyourgun
Yes, but a devout Muslim would have nothing to do with Tarot. I just can't buy this scenario, even though I would prefer to think that we don't have a case of an American killing his fellow Americans. How well do you know "devout" muslims? LEOs know a foreign writer when they see it -- and no American would write the message found on the tarot card. Also tarot card experts say the way in which the tarot card was used was incorrect.
To: anniegetyourgun
Annie, I respect your opinions totally, but Muslims are not imune to the Tarot cards, in fact, quite the opposite I understand. Middle Easterners are steeped in the mystic beliefs which they flavor their main religions with, just the same as Westerners do.
To: anniegetyourgun
excerpt from Christian Missionary website: click for not much more "Yet alongside this orthodoxy, traditions of the animism and mysticism remain. Some Muslims still wear talismans, cast spells, consult Tarot cards, and placate jinns (genies). "
Here is more from a tarot card website exploring the cards history....
"CURRENT HISTORICAL UNDERSTANDING: Playing cards came to Europe from Islam, probably via Muslim Spain, about 50 years before the development of tarot.(Yes, I see it says playing cards) They appeared quite suddenly in many different European cities between l375 and 1378. European playing cards were an adaptation of the Islamic Mamluk cards."
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