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Pro-Gun Group Wants To Arm Parents and Teachers
CNSNews.Com ^ | October 10, 2002 | Michael L. Betsch

Posted on 10/10/2002 12:57:49 PM PDT by Sweet_Sunflower29

A Second Amendment group says the shooting of a 13-year-old boy outside a Maryland middle school on Monday bolsters its argument for allowing parents and teachers to carry guns on school grounds - specifically, in the parking lot outside.

Ed Kelleher, president of the pro-gun group GrassRoots South Carolina (GRSC), believes the presence of legally armed parents in the parking lot at Benjamin Tasker Middle School in Bowie, Md., could have provided a "deterrent effect" on the still-unknown sniper who shot and seriously wounded the child.

But Maryland State law (Article 27 Sec. 36A) expressly prohibits the possession of firearms on any school property, even if a gun owner possesses a permit to carry a concealed weapon. (An exception is made for law enforcement.)

Federal law also prohibits anyone from possessing a firearm within a thousand feet of school grounds. That federally mandated "gun-free school zone" includes public, parochial and private schools.

Maryland is one of 32 states that issues permits for people who want to carry concealed weapons. However the Maryland State Police, which issue the permits, warns applicants they are difficult to obtain.

According to a fact sheet available on the Maryland State Police website, state residents applying for an "unrestricted" concealed weapons permit probably will never get one. "Almost all handgun permits are restricted in some fashion," the website says.

'More guns, less crime'

Mass murders have one thing in common, said Kelleher. They happen in places where people are forced to be disarmed, he said. "You don't hear about shootings at NRA conventions and gun shows."

GrassRoots South Carolina is trying to change state gun laws so that people with concealed weapons permits would be allowed carry guns in school parking lots, while dropping off or picking up their children. The group believes that's the best way to stop crime on school grounds and in neighborhoods.

But state lawmakers apparently don't agree. A measure that would have allowed concealed weapons permit holders to carry guns in school parking lots failed this year in the South Carolina legislature.

GrassRoots South Carolina also wants to increase the number of concealed weapon permit holders: It is working to double the number of CWP holders in South Carolina by 2006.

The pro-gun group is hosting a "Great GrassRoots Gathering" on October 19 to generate support for its goal of arming local citizens "wherever and whenever they choose."

Kelleher said he hopes the educational event will help minimize the "hysterical reactions" of non-gun owners who object to the idea of private citizens carrying guns on school grounds. He said GrassRoots South Carolina and its 5,000 members want to convince concerned parents and lawmakers that gun owners are "good people motivated by good desires."

But swaying the anti-gun crowd is not an easy task, he said.

"People just aren't comfortable with it," Kelleher said. "People are comfortable with police officers carrying guns in schools because they know them and they have a good feeling about police officers."

Kelleher said he often asks parents if they would have used a gun to protect their children in a school massacre such as the one at Colorado's Columbine High School. He said their response is always the same: "Sure, I could use a gun."

Kelleher also said he's a strong proponent of arming teachers as an additional deterrent to school shootings.

By his account, arming teachers proved effective about a decade ago in Israel when terrorist gunmen launched a rash attacks on Israeli schools. Once the gunmen realized the teachers were armed, the killings stopped, he said.

The fact remains, Kelleher said, that all of society benefits when good people carry firearms.

"What stops people from shooting? People arriving on the scene with guns," he said. "How can we prevent shootings? It seems pretty obvious to say, 'Well, let's have people with guns there in the first place.'"

The other side: 'More guns, more violence'

Ginni Wolf, executive director of Marylanders Against Handgun Abuse, Inc., said issuing permits for parents and teachers to carry weapons on school property would only lead to more violence and tragedy.

"You get into a fight with your child's teacher because you don't believe they're being fair to your child and you're in a parent-teacher conference and emotions run high and out comes the gun because you're allowed to have it," Wolf hypothesized. "That's not very far outside the realm of possibility."

Further, she noted that parents have become increasingly violent at their children's sporting events in recent years, a subject that's received much discussion in the media.

"If they were on school property and they got into something like this, would they not pull out their gun?" she asked. "That happens with road rage all the time."

Wolf said the example of the Maryland sniper has only solidified her group's argument that there are "too many guns out there, and it's very easy for these types of people to obtain guns."

Representatives from the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence and the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research refused to comment to CNSNews.com.


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FWIW, THIS mom is armed at all times. Logically however, I know that in an instance such as the sniper attacks, who has managed to avoid being witnessed by anyone as of yet, my chances of defending my children or myself if up against a situation like that are low.

However, I exercise my right to carry a firearm on the chance of encountering a situation in which defense is needed, and when a window of opportunity to defend myself/children presents itself, I have something more substantial then a nail file or a set of keys.
1 posted on 10/10/2002 12:57:49 PM PDT by Sweet_Sunflower29
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
I have no problem arming parents and teachers although I don't think this guy will be caught that way. He will most likely shoot himself first. Don't forget he has a telescopic site on his gun and is not going to stand out in the open to make a target for someone to shoot. More than likely he will have shot the person before they can even get their gun out. But if this helps parents and teachers cope psychologically with this - I say go for it!!!
2 posted on 10/10/2002 1:01:51 PM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone
I don't think this guy will be caught that way.

probably not, but Columbine would have been a different story if teachers were armed. It may have never been attempted.

3 posted on 10/10/2002 1:11:08 PM PDT by bankwalker
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To: bankwalker
You have a point but those kids walked right in and did it in front of everyone. This coward hides and no-one seems to see him Just like David Berkowitz and the Zodiac Killer did.
4 posted on 10/10/2002 1:15:42 PM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
"... and out comes the gun because you're allowed to have it," Wolf hypothesized. "That's not very far outside the realm of possibility."

Not only do "their" arguments stink...their comparison is misstated. If something is just outside of the realm of possibility, does that make it somehow closer to being real?

South Carolina CCWP Bump

5 posted on 10/10/2002 1:16:45 PM PDT by StDonTheBaptist
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6 posted on 10/10/2002 1:16:54 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: areafiftyone
This coward hides and no-one seems to see him

He will eventually make a mistake and reveal himself. The more people that are armed, the better the chance of getting him.

7 posted on 10/10/2002 1:22:16 PM PDT by bankwalker
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To: bankwalker
I have no problem with that. Too bad I live in a socialist state like New York.
8 posted on 10/10/2002 1:23:07 PM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone
Too bad I live in a socialist state like New York.

I understand. I live behind enemy lines also.

9 posted on 10/10/2002 1:26:16 PM PDT by bankwalker
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
"If they were on school property and they got into something like this, would they not pull out their gun?" she asked. "That happens with road rage all the time."

They get away with it again. I want this woman to point to the cases of road rage that resulted in a shooting by a person who wasn't disqualified from having a firearm (i.e. too young, a felon, etc.) and wasn't defending themselves.

10 posted on 10/10/2002 1:32:00 PM PDT by mushroom
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To: mushroom
You may have the example you requested from an apparent "road-rage" incident that occurred on I-270 in Rockville, MD a couple of hours ago....
11 posted on 10/10/2002 1:44:22 PM PDT by tracer
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To: tracer
I'll wait for the full story. My bet is there either wasn't a shooting or the person who did the shooting would be disqualified from having a weapon.
13 posted on 10/10/2002 2:44:16 PM PDT by mushroom
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To: The Ghost of Richard Nixon
Schoolteachers should not be armed -- nor most parents. I favor armed LE, armed security, and armed civilian patrols

I suppose{?} I can understand not arming teachers, especially if you mean while on the job, but I can't figure out the "nor most parents" part. I'm not clear if you mean while on school grounds or in general, or the rationale you use to make that generalizing statment.

Armed LEO/security/civ. patrols are a great thing, but if it came down to a do-or-die situation, I certainly would not depend on others to immediately avail themselves when seconds count and can determine the outcome.

I would however, be all for contacting the LEO so they may come and properly dispose of the dead body slumped over one of my windows.
14 posted on 10/10/2002 2:47:27 PM PDT by Sweet_Sunflower29
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To: *bang_list
Bang!
15 posted on 10/10/2002 2:55:52 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: The Ghost of Richard Nixon
Schoolteachers should not be armed -- nor most parents. I favor armed LE, armed security, and armed civilian patrols (comprehensive training and certification required AND close coordination with LE).

Everyone should be armed.

But the problem with this sniper is that no one's *seen* him. Even an armed militia won't help in that case, unless someone either gets lucky, or figures out how to set a trap for the sonofabitch... the thought of which has been occupying my idle moments, predator that I am...

16 posted on 10/10/2002 4:19:22 PM PDT by fire_eye
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
This is *excellent propaganda, though - *exactly* what we should be doing (my previous questions about the usefulness thereof in the present circumsatances notwithstanding...). This is the type of media operation that our enemies run because it *works* - seize the moment and use the circumstances to your advantage in the propaganda war.

We can only dream that NRA would take a lesson from this group.

17 posted on 10/10/2002 4:23:52 PM PDT by fire_eye
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To: areafiftyone
He will most likely shoot himself first. Don't forget he has a telescopic site on his gun...

I can't see any reason to support either of these assertions. What leads you to these conclusions?

18 posted on 10/10/2002 4:52:08 PM PDT by Woahhs
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
Maryland State law (Article 27 Sec. 36A) expressly prohibits the possession of firearms on any school property, even if a gun owner possesses a permit to carry a concealed weapon.

Most states have these "Sniper Protection" laws.

19 posted on 10/10/2002 4:53:52 PM PDT by Redcloak
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To: The Ghost of Richard Nixon
How much training do you think it requires to handle a firearm proficiently and within the bounds of the law?
20 posted on 10/10/2002 4:54:54 PM PDT by Woahhs
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