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Wednesday, 10/9, Market WrapUp (Derivative model breakdown?)
Financial Sense Online ^ | 10/9/2002 | James J. Puplava

Posted on 10/09/2002 5:25:50 PM PDT by rohry

 
Weekday Commentary from Jim Puplava
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The Impossible
  

Unsinkable ships sink
Unbreakable walls break
Sometimes the things you think could never happen
Happen just like that
Unbendable steel bends
If the fury of the wind is unstoppable
I've learned to never underestimate the impossible

~ words from "The Impossible" by Joe Nichols ~


STORM WATCH UPDATE
Bubble Troubles Part I
Double, double, toil and trouble; fire burn and cauldron bubble.

by Jim Puplava 9/13/2002

Bubble Troubles Part II

Yes, Virginia, There IS
a Housing Bubble
by Jim Puplava 9/20/2002

Bubble Troubles Part III
It Ain't Over Yet
for the Stock Market
by Jim Puplava 9/27/2002

 Wednesday Market Scoreboard
 October 9, 2002

 Dow Industrials 215.22 7286.27
 Dow Utilities 17.82 167.57
 Dow Transports 102.33 2013.02
 S & P 500 21.79 776.76
 NASDAQ 15.10 1114.11
 US Dollar to Yen 123.32
 US Dollar to Euro

.9897

 Gold 1.40 320.80
 Silver 0.02 4.35
 Oil 0.13 29.35
 CRB Index 0.11 225.97
 Natural Gas

0.06 3.918
10/09 10/08

Change

  HUI (Amex Gold Bugs Index)

Close
YTD
108.66 110.60 1.94
66.65%
52week High 147.82

06/03/02

52week Low 59.86

11/26/01

  XAU (Philadelphia Gold & Silver)

Close
YTD
61.64 62.79 1.991.15
13.24%
52week High 88.65

05/28/02

52week Low 49.23

11/19/01

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Nyquist Column 10/08 No Turning Back
 

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Wednesday, October 9, 2002

The Unthinkable is Not Impossible
On Wall Street, they are worried. At the Fed, they are burning the midnight oil. In bank boardrooms, they are passing out Maalox. The unthinkable may be about to happen. A systemic risk that causes the financial system to implode is now a distinct possibility. The $110 trillion worldwide derivative market may be about to unleash a storm of undetermined consequences. Nobody has a model that can predict the possible outcome. How do you account for something never seen before? It has been more than 70 years since a storm of this magnitude has been seen or experienced. Most who work on the Street or in the trading rooms of large financial entities have never seen a 100-year storm. Very few alive today remember the consequences, much less lived through the carnage of the Great Depression and the stock market crash that preceded it. To many, seeing the Dow lose 88% of its value as it did during the bear market of 1929-32 is inconceivable. The fact that the Japanese Nikkei has lost 78% or that the NASDAQ is down 78% doesn’t seem to register. Everyone expects a market bottom and the worst of the storm is over. Nobody is watching the barometer; which is dropping rapidly.

One hundred year storms have a way of surfacing when you least expect it. In the financial world, bear markets have a way of fooling the majority of investors most of the time. Just when you think it's over, it isn’t. Just when you think a bottom is in, the market heads lower. When you think the news can’t get any worse, it worsens. The truth of the matter is nobody knows where the current storm will head and what damage it will bring. All that the experts can do is bet on probabilities. What lies on the tail end of the curve is that 10-sigma event that is incalculable. The models don’t factor it in -- just the probability of its occurrence. The extent of the damage, the long-term consequences, the impact upon lives, economies and governments can only be a guess. History can only alert us to the consequences and remind us that these storms do reappear throughout history. An archduke is shot, a naval base is bombed, a dictator rises to power, a government is overthrown, and suddenly 10-sigma events erupt and a daisy chain of dominoes begin to fall in unison.

Business cycles, market crashes, depressions and wars haven’t been eliminated despite the reassurance from experts and politicians that they will no longer happen. Economic and financial modeling is good at giving you probabilities, but not predictions. They can tell you about the probability of the unexpected, but not when they will occur. Nor can they predict the consequences. The truth is that no one knows what fury a $110 trillion derivative market will unleash if it does in fact implode. In 1998 a hedge fund called LTCM with 1.25 trillion in derivatives nearly brought the financial system to its knees. It would take the Fed, along with 14 other banks, to organize a private sector bailout. At stake were LTCM’s lenders who could be dragged along with it. An emergency bailout package was put together and a crisis was averted.

A Bank in All The Wrong Places
A lesson should have been learned, precautions taken and safety measures put into place. They weren’t. Instead the world of derivatives has grown by over 20% a year since then. More importantly, the players in the derivatives market have become more concentrated. One bank alone, J.P. Morgan Chase, accounts for $26 trillion of this $110 trillion market. Everyone knows J.P. Morgan Chase is in deep trouble. This bank accounts for over one half of the US bank held derivatives and nearly 25% of all derivatives held worldwide. It is a bank in all the wrong places and it is hemorrhaging from multiple sides of its businesses. The problem in this derivative market is that everyone is trying to offload risk. Hedging risk costs money. The greater the risk, the higher the price of covering that risk. Unexpected events such as hurricanes, floods, fires, mudslides or earthquakes raise the cost of insurance premiums. Hedging risks in the financial markets operate in the same way. When markets plunge and gyrate daily, when borrowers default, when profits evaporate, when credit spreads widen, when bond ratings are lowered, or when geopolitical events surface as in war or terrorism, risk premiums soar.

Playing Hot Potato
Off loading risk suddenly becomes a financial hot potato. In the derivative market, because of the degree of leverage and risk involved, everyone is trying to pass that risk on to someone else and net out their risk to zero. That seldom happens because someone somewhere is stuck holding the hot potato. You don’t always know who that is until the storm hits. Those who thought they were hedged suddenly find they are left exposed because the counter parties to their hedges have now become insolvent. It is a lot like having an insurance policy to cover against earthquakes. Suddenly a major quake occurs with damages so severe, that all insurers are suddenly at risk. That is the problem we have today with the greatest insurer covering over 50% of the US market and 25% of the market worldwide. Risk has been concentrated on one particular insurer: J.P. Morgan. Derivatives now account for anywhere from 20-40% of the bank’s revenues. The word “bank” is used loosely because J.P. Morgan looks and acts more like a hedge fund run on methamphetamines and steroids. Morgan’s $26 trillion derivative book is highly illiquid because most of its derivatives are of the OTC variety. These are highly specialized and customized contracts whose real value isn’t known until they are sold.

Most OTC derivatives are custom tailored to meet the needs of specific clients with specified risks. This makes them highly illiquid and vulnerable to panic selling in the event of a crisis. This proved to be LTCM’s undoing when it occurred. In the volatile markets of 1997-98 when credit spreads widened, risks multiplied. Instead of going from divergence to convergence, divergences widened as they are today. In the corporate debt markets, the yields on investment grade bonds are now 2.5% above Treasuries of the same duration, the widest in at least 10 years. Junk bond defaults are averaging 9-10%. Gaps between junk bonds and Treasuries are now approaching 11%. According to today’s Bloomberg, the spreads between Treasuries and junk bonds first hit the 10% level on August 14th and have breached that level 11 times since then.

Never Underestimate the Impossible
The reason this is important is that the majority of derivatives (85%) are interest rate related. Somebody big is sitting on the wrong side of that divergence. The mathematical models aren’t very good at predicting if and when a 10-sigma event will occur. They happen and then the models try to adjust. But these models are not dealing with the impossible at a time when impossible lurks everywhere. Talk is beginning to surface everywhere in financial circles of the possibility of systemic risks resurfacing in a possible implosion. HSBC Holdings has voiced concern of the impact on banks and insurers. Merrill Lynch’s chief financial officer, Douglas Flint, told a press conference, “We do worry about systemic risk.” Germany’s third largest bank, Commerzbank AG, was forced to deny rumors this past weekend that it was experiencing a liquidity crisis. The OECD (The Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development) is stepping up it’s monitoring of reinsurance firms. Insurance companies and money center banks, especially the big ones, have now become the center of attention as credit agencies, government entitles, and world organizations monitor a rapidly dropping financial monitor. Everyone is praying that the storm clouds will disappear. They are getting darker instead. Can the impossible or the unthinkable occur? In the words of singer/songwriter Joe Nichols, “I’ve learned to never underestimate the impossible.”

Complacency Rules
Meanwhile on Main Street, the vast majority of investors still have their heads in the sand playing ostrich. Complacency is everywhere despite market losses of over 27% in the Dow of over 27%, 32% in the S&P 500, and 43% in the NASDAQ. I can’t remember a time such as this when risks were so prevalent, yet sentiment was so complacent. Wall Street keeps reassuring the general investment public that things will be okay. You often hear the mantra, "This is it, we have now hit bottom," and yet prices go lower. Some are selling, but we haven’t reached that panic state yet. We haven’t experienced a series of 90% down days, which are characteristic of bear market bottoms. Even yesterday, with the markets rallying, it was only a surface rally. Market strength was only skin deep. Declining issues beat advancing issues on both the NYSE and the NASDAQ. Down volume swamped up volume on the NASDAQ. There are no signs of market leadership emerging other than the subtle strength of gold. The markets will have to digest the beginning of third quarter earnings season which kicks off next week. Pro forma earnings have lowered to such a low level that companies will no longer need pole vaults to hurdle them. Comparisons on a pro forma basis to last year after the events of 9-11 will make this quarter look good. Pro forma profit targets have been lowered from 30% at the beginning of the year, 17% as of July, to today’s projections for little more than 5%. Still there is an even more important element to come into play. What will companies say will happen in the fourth quarter when estimates still remain too high? As actual results come in, the markets should be set up for greater volatility characterized by sudden plunges and parabolic lifts.

Today's Market
Today's headlines point to more stresses in the financial system and in the economy. Job layoffs were a common theme along with possible bankruptcies. Abbott Labs will cut 3% of its workforce. AT&T, the perpetual restructuring company, will cut 4.3% of its cable-television payroll. EDS will be sued by employees for a loss of $407 million in its employee’s 401(k) plan due to a drop in the company’s stock. SunTrust reported that it would take a $98.7 million charge for bad loans as non-performing assets rose by 14% to $594.7 million. TXU, the Texas power company, is asking banks to drop terms forcing it to pay $500 million should a European unit of the company default as energy trading plunges.

Meanwhile the day’s headlines point to more stresses in the financial system and in the economy. Job layoffs were a common theme along with possible bankruptcies. Abbott labs will cut 3 percent of its workforce. AT&T, the perpetual restructuring company will cut 4.3 percent of its cable-television payroll. EDS will be sued by employees for a loss of $407 million in its employee’s 401(k) plan due to a drop in the company’s stock. SunTrust reported that it would take a $98.7 million charge for bad loans as non-performing assets rose by 14 percent to $594.7 million. TXU, the Texas power company is asking banks to drop terms forcing it to pay $500 million should a European unit of the company default as energy trading plunges.

These are just today’s business headlines. On the political front, the socialist candidate Lula in Brazil is emerging as the likely winner of Brazil’s run off election. Venezuela is on the verge of a political coup as Hugo Chavez begins a political witch-hunt of his opposition and citizens riot in the street. Venezuela is the 4th largest oil exporter of oil to the US. A war against Iraq is looking more likely and the government is alerting us that renewed attacks of terrorism are possible. These are the kind of headlines that don't breed confidence in the markets.

This lack of confidence and risk in the financial markets explains much of gold bullion's strength. The latest sell off in shares of gold and silver companies is another leg of a wider sell off by weak hands into stronger hands. A lot of the share accumulation of precious metals stocks over the last few quarters has come from the day-trading crowd looking for a way to make a fast buck. They neither understand nor comprehend that they are dealing with a precious commodity that is returning to its historical role as money. Those in the know, and who have strong financial hands are accumulating at the expense of the ignorant and ill-informed. They will be back in the metals after they explode. Several key silver stocks are looking to break out as option spreads and short positions are unwound. The metals markets are a lot like a volcano. You never know when they are going to erupt. But when they do, it will be similar to the eruption of Mt. St. Helens. Gold and silver are commodities that are in short supply, with growing investment demand, and limited options for investment. When they take off, their rise will be parabolic -- not gradual. The residents below aren’t aware that the volcano is rumbling. Short-sellers, take care.

Today's market was predictable. The major averages suffered their broadest decline in over four years as many analysts lowered their profit expectations on GM and GE. The S&P 500 hit a new five-year low; while the venerable Dow closed below 7,300 -- something we haven’t seen since October of 1997. We seem to be slipping back to the past at ever increasing speeds. It also looks like the inevitable may have a possibility of occurring. After the market close, Moody’s Investor Services cut J.P. Morgan’s long-term debt rating one more level, citing the bank's inability to maintain acceptable profitability. As the bank's credit rating is lowered, it begins to raise the issue of counterparty risk. The downgrade is causing many of the bank's customers to take their business elsewhere because of Morgan’s growing risks. As earnings falter, it leads to more downgrades. At some point, the bank may be swamped as it finds itself with more at risk in the derivatives market than it has capital to support. Many experts estimate that the bank's value at risk runs in the tens of billions. A failure by Morgan could become the first of many ten-sigma events. For greater understanding of derivates I would suggest reading Rogue Waves Part II, and Rogue Waves and Standard Deviations Part 1 and Part 2.

Volume came in at 1.82 billion on the NYSE and 1.75 billion on the NASDAQ. Market breath was horrific with losers outdistancing winners by a wide margin, 28-5 on the big board and by 26-9 on the NASDAQ. We may be seeing the impossible. Time will tell.

Overseas Markets
European stocks fell, led by auto manufacturers including DaimlerChrysler and PSA Peugeot Citroen after Morgan Stanley lowered profit forecasts for companies in the industry. Fiat SpA dropped as company executives met with labor unions to discuss more job cuts amid sliding sales. The Dow Jones Stoxx 50 Index slid 0.5% to 2277.00, retreating for a fifth day. It has lost 7.4% since last Wednesday's close. Seven of the eight major European markets were down during today’s trading.

Japanese stocks fell, driving the Nikkei 225 Stock Average to a 19-year low for a fourth time this month. Mizuho Holdings Inc. and UFJ Holdings Inc. slumped to their lowest levels since they first started trading. The Nikkei lost 2% to 8539.34. The average has lost more than a fifth of its value in the past three months. The Topix index shed 1.9% to 844.29.

Bond Market
Government bonds remained well bid across the board as fixed-income investors reacted to more troubles for equities. The 10-year Treasury note climbed 17/32 to yield 3.57% while the 30-year government bond gained 20/32 to yield 4.66%.

© Copyright Jim Puplava, October 9, 2002



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Today Abbey Joseph Cohen lowered her Dow expectations from 11,300 to 10,800. What world do these people live in?
1 posted on 10/09/2002 5:25:50 PM PDT by rohry
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2 posted on 10/09/2002 5:26:50 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: sinkspur; bvw; Tauzero; robnoel; kezekiel; ChadGore; Harley - Mississippi; Dukie; Matchett-PI; ...
Market WrapUp is delivered...

...and IBM hits $55, 5 more points and my $50 prediction happens. Did everyone get out at $100+ when I made my $60 prediction? Hope so...
3 posted on 10/09/2002 5:29:11 PM PDT by rohry
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To: rohry
Today Abbey Joseph Cohen lowered her Dow expectations from 11,300 to 10,800. What world do these people live in?

So what this guy is saying basically is that we're cooked! Stick a knife in us cause we're done. Nothing can save us so the last one out turn off the lights. We can't recover--- EVER?!! Everyone will lose EVERYTHING! Does that about cover it?

4 posted on 10/09/2002 5:34:45 PM PDT by teletech
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To: teletech
Don't Jump!
5 posted on 10/09/2002 5:36:27 PM PDT by Cagey
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To: rohry
I did find one bright spot for some lucky investors. Maybe Martha Stewart got in on this one.

The Boston Celtics (BOS) were hot and the National Basketball Association season hasn't even started. Shares of the storied basketball franchise shot up 147 percent, closing up $16.65 at $28. Details of a buyout offer for the team were unveiled last week.

6 posted on 10/09/2002 5:38:19 PM PDT by Cagey
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To: rohry
someone please tell me how it is that precious metals (gold) are still flat.
7 posted on 10/09/2002 5:41:59 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: teletech
The short version is that we are still suffering the aftereffects of a bubble market. The repercussions of the bubble will take years, if not decades to sort out. The reason more "experts" aren't talking about this fact is because the business schools and economics courses don't talk much about previous bubble markets, so they don't have much knowlege of what leads to them or what happens afterwards.

To be perfectly honest, I'm figuring that we are in for about a 10-15 year bear market. Sorry if this is a depressing concept, but I believe this is the truth. The Dow will probably end up around 3000 before this is all said and done. In fact, I'll pick some numbers right now.

Dow 3000, NASDAQ 750, S&P500 500. Within the next two years. This is, of course, predicted with my patented SWAG ("Scientific" Wild Assed Guess) method. Personally, I'm in cash and real estate right now. Stocks and bonds make me nervous.
8 posted on 10/09/2002 5:45:01 PM PDT by Billy_bob_bob
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To: Texas_Jarhead
I'd like to know the answer to that as well!
9 posted on 10/09/2002 5:45:44 PM PDT by Billy_bob_bob
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To: rohry
On the bright side, at least we'll all be dead in a few decades or so.
10 posted on 10/09/2002 5:46:53 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Cagey
"Don't Jump!"

I'm laughing like a fool. Thanks for the humor...
11 posted on 10/09/2002 5:50:52 PM PDT by rohry
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To: rohry
Reuters Market News

US CREDIT OUTLOOK - Almost no place to hide

Wednesday October 9, 4:58 pm ET

By Eric Burroughs

NEW YORK, Oct 9 (Reuters) - Each day seems to bear more grim news for high-strung U.S. capital markets and provide U.S. Treasuries yet more reason to hit new historic low yields.

As stocks keep hitting five-year lows and mounting worries about credit quality have pummeled widely held names like Ford Motor Co. (NYSE:F - News) and J.P. Morgan Chase (NYSE:JPM - News), investors are seeking shelter in only the safest of capital hide-outs.

Thus benchmark Treasury yields keep plunging to levels not seen since the 1950s and two-year note yields hit record lows, and analysts see nothing to stop the trend on the horizon.

Spreads on corporate bonds, agency debt, mortgage-backed securities and emerging market debt all widened against Treasuries on Wednesday -- and with good reason.

The Dow fell 215 points on an analyst warning about General Electric's (NYSE:GE - News) future performance. Ford's bonds were hit hard. Moody's downgraded J.P. Morgan Chase's credit rating, while the rating of Germany's Allianz Group was also knocked down by both Moody's and Standard & Poor's. Junk bond yields soared to record highs near 11 percentage points over Treasuries.

more: http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/021009/markets_bonds_outlook_1.html

12 posted on 10/09/2002 5:52:26 PM PDT by Davea
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To: rohry
Reuters Business Report

J.P. Morgan Cut by Moody's, Affects Debt

Wednesday October 9, 4:56 pm ET

By Jonathan Stempel

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Moody's Investors Service on Wednesday cut J.P. Morgan Chase & Co.'s (NYSE:JPM - News) long-term debt ratings, reflecting concern about the No. 2 U.S. bank's near-term ability to maintain "acceptable profitability" as investment banking revenue falls and loan losses mount.

The downgrade, affecting about $42 billion of debt, follows a similar downgrade on Sept. 17 by Standard & Poor's Ratings Services. J.P. Morgan shares fell nearly 7 percent on Wednesday, suffering most of that decline after Moody's early afternoon downgrade.

Moody's cut J.P. Morgan's senior unsecured debt one notch to "A1," its fifth highest grade, from "Aa3," and also cut several other ratings. Its rating outlook is now stable.

MORE: http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/021009/financial_jpmorgan_moodys_7.html ==============================================================

13 posted on 10/09/2002 5:53:53 PM PDT by Davea
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To: teletech
*Everyone will lose EVERYTHING!

He does give a way out.

"The metals markets are a lot like a volcano. You never know when they are going to erupt. But when they do, it will be similar to the eruption of Mt. St. Helens. Gold and silver are commodities that are in short supply, with growing investment demand, and limited options for investment. When they take off, their rise will be parabolic -- not gradual."
14 posted on 10/09/2002 5:58:04 PM PDT by jwh_Denver
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To: rohry
The formulaic derivatives niche was disproved as flawed over a decade ago, but the analysts and especially the brokerage firms don't want you to know that...
15 posted on 10/09/2002 6:00:43 PM PDT by Vidalia
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To: rohry
Reuters Business Report

Ferguson: Fed Can't Fix Stocks Swings

Wednesday October 9, 8:49 pm ET

NEW YORK (Reuters) - The Federal Reserve is limited in what it can do to help smooth economic ups and downs, the U.S. central bank's vice chairman said on Wednesday as analysts fretted about the strength of the recovery and stocks tumbled to fresh multiyear lows.

In remarks prepared for delivery to the Bond Market Association, Fed Vice Chairman Roger Ferguson also stressed that the central bank cannot target stock prices, even though some analysts have suggested it should take on more of a role in managing swings in the markets.

"Nobody would deny that central banks can be quite powerful and that monetary policy works, over time," Ferguson said. "But in the scheme of things, a central bank's ability to smooth asset prices (if it wanted to) or to buffer shocks to spending or production is somewhat limited."

He added that "monetary policy action cannot appropriately be targeted to benefit one industry, region or economic group."

Ferguson's discussion of "Central Banks and Markets" came as major U.S. stock indexes tumbled to new multi-year lows in the aftermath of a huge run-up during the late 1990s.

The blue-chip Dow Jones industrial average sank 2.87 percent to 7,286.27 on Wednesday, a low not seen since October 1997. The index is down more than 37 percent from its January 2000 high. The broad Standard & Poor's 500 Index fell 2.73 percent while the Nasdaq Composite slipped or 1.34 percent to hit a new six-year closing low.

Some economists have criticized the Fed for not doing more to try to burst the late 1990s stock market bubble before it got out of hand. Such critics have said higher interest rates might have helped to contain what Greenspan once referred to as "irrational exuberance" in the markets and, thus, possibly have prevented the ensuing hangover.

But Ferguson said the Fed focuses squarely on the macroeconomy and the broad level of prices of goods and services, aiming to avoid either excessive rises or broad declines in prices.

"Some have suggested that under some circumstances central banks should adjust the overnight funds rate to affect intentionally the relative price of another asset class, namely equities," he said, acknowledging the criticism.

"UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES"

But he cited two drawbacks to trying to make stock prices the focus of interest-rate actions: the fact that there is no clear link between rate changes and stock movements and also that there could be "unintended consequences" for the economy from efforts to influence equity markets.

Ferguson did stress that stock market movements factor into Fed decisions, even if they are not the target of policy.

"To be clear, this is not an argument for never considering prices in asset markets when determining how well we are likely to do in achieving our goals," he said.

Just as the Fed's powers are limited concerning stock movements, it cannot always fully counter surprise events or "shocks" that might hit the economy. Ferguson cited the recent sharp pullback in business investment spending as an example.

"The reality is that when the shortfall in desired spending is large or arises quite quickly, as was the case last year when businesses slashed their investment plans in light of a perceived overhang of capital, the initial monetary policy offset can be only partial and not necessarily synchronous," the Fed vice chairman said.

The U.S. central bank last year slashed interest rates 11 times to a 40-year low of 1.75 percent as it sought to fight a recession triggered largely by the business spending pullback.

Although a recovery appears to be under way, it has been choppy and slow to hit its stride.

Ferguson did not discuss the current economic outlook, nor did he delve into the issues of recent Fed policy discussions. At the central bank's last meeting on Sept. 24, the majority of Fed policymakers decided to leave interest rates steady.

But two officials dissented, arguing for cuts in rates.

Without specifically mentioning the two recent dissents, Ferguson said he has been "pleased" with the Fed's decision, announced in March, to disclose to the public any dissents at monetary policy meetings at the time that they occur.

Previously, such dissents were disclosed with a time lag of several weeks. That lag sometimes led to confusion about the context in which dissents were made.

"We decided to eliminate that potential source of misunderstanding, and, for a central bank, we made that decision relatively quickly," he said. "I am pleased with the Committee's quick response."

17 posted on 10/09/2002 6:03:39 PM PDT by Davea
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To: Lazamataz
"On the bright side, at least we'll all be dead in a few decades or so."

Maybe you should reconsider that statement.

We just may not be posting bodily to this board...
19 posted on 10/09/2002 6:04:57 PM PDT by Vidalia
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To: Billy_bob_bob
The short version is that we are still suffering the aftereffects of a bubble market. The repercussions of the bubble will take years, if not decades to sort out. The reason more "experts" aren't talking about this fact is because the business schools and economics courses don't talk much about previous bubble markets, so they don't have much knowlege of what leads to them or what happens afterwards.

To be perfectly honest, I'm figuring that we are in for about a 10-15 year bear market. Sorry if this is a depressing concept, but I believe this is the truth. The Dow will probably end up around 3000 before this is all said and done. In fact, I'll pick some numbers right now.

Dow 3000, NASDAQ 750, S&P500 500. Within the next two years. This is, of course, predicted with my patented SWAG ("Scientific" Wild Assed Guess) method. Personally, I'm in cash and real estate right now. Stocks and bonds make me nervous.

Well, if we are in a 10-15 year bear market at least my kids will live long enough to see the market recover.

20 posted on 10/09/2002 6:05:39 PM PDT by teletech
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