Women Believed to be members of Irish Travelers (Woman Taped Beating Child an "Irish Gypsy")
IRISH TRAVELERS - Experts shed light on reclusive, nomadic clans that roam the country
Then John and Madelyn Toogood are apparently part of this "small Minority".
Probably not. Indications are that the original "gypsies" moved into Eastern Europe when the area was disrupted by the Turkish invasions. They probably originally came from India and are descended from one of the "criminal tribes."
They are probably greatly mixed genetically with Eastern European people.
So what are the authorities supposed to do? Develop mobile courts to follow them around? The rest of us have to show up in court, and it costs us, regardless of the matter of guilt, so why not the Travelers, Gypsies or just plain migrant workers of any sort?
I respect their elevation of theft to the level of fine art;
I appreciate that everything I own is theirs, if they can take it without getting caught;
I respect them as one would respect a rattlesnake;
I appreciate that they leave a wake of destroyed lives in their 'travels'.
A Gypsy who doesn't travel and steal doesn't need to have seven identities, and is, no longer, a Gypsy.
To be a Gypsy is to embrace and practice thievery--that is an element of their culture that they must abandon if they are to live in peace with this neighbor.
Yes other cultures are asked similar type questions. Culture isn't race so when a culture is criticized (fairly or unfairly) it's stupid to cry racism.
What a crock! The only reason these people keep "travelling" is that they are scammers and wouldn't get any repeat business if they stayed in one place. Legitimate home repair professionals have no trouble making a living in one area -- in fact they are in such short supply that it's hard to get them to do any work for you unless you offer to pay through nose and/or have a huge job for them. I've been begging my favorite carpenter, who's VERY Irish, to come and do $3-4000 worth of work on my home for months, and he's just too busy with other bigger jobs.
And I've only made comparisons to the Holocaust maybe two or three times in my life.
At least one-third of these comparisons was bad.
Is the question, 'I just wanted to know if, from your experience, it is considered OK in (the Traveller) culture for parents to beat their kids so mercilessly?' one you would ask of a Chinese, or a Mexican, or a black under the same circumstances?" he asks. "Then why us?
This is a fair question. However, the real debate that has been slightly stirred up here is not whether Travellers are more prone to beat their children (probably are since they are a criminal sub-culture and are rather unlikely to be much influenced by the ideas of, say, Dr. Spock). The real "debate" that was opened by this incident is about the bizarre and criminal nature of this subculture in general, not whether they are more inclined to child-abuse
Many accusations are brought against members of the group simply because they are Travellers, Otway says.
How would the homeowners who bring these complaints know they are Travellers? Do they wear a sign?
The police have the idea that these are fly-by-night businesses. This is not reality. They are nomadic businesses.
Bwahahaha, this is a classic. Reminds me of the line from the band manager in "This is Spinal Tap" that their venues are not getting smaller, just more selective.
Many Travellers acquire long rap sheets because, after being falsely accused of crimes or faced with overblown charges, they post bail and leave, Otway explains. . . . They pay it back in order to go on with their life and their career, and then they develop these long rap sheets.
Bwahahahah. . . Oh stop, you're killing me! But seriously, this is a real problem. I know that down through the years many of my friends and acquaintances have been falsely accused of bogus crimes and have been forced to skip-out on bail thereby accidentely aquiring a long rap sheet. This has forced them to obtain, through no fault of their own, several false driver's licenses and other papers.
I said above that this incident has slightly stirred up debate about the Travellers, but this is an exaggeration. Most of the few press articles have been similar to the one above, rank apologism for this group. Understand the truth, the root of this apologism is a genocidal, racist hatred of traditional Western, socially Christian America. Like Mencken's anti-bear-baiting Puritans, the establishment press will side with any group in conflict with traditional white society especially if that group claims to be a "minority" group, no matter how bogus such a claim might be. To admit that the Travellers are an group that commits crimes on an ethnic basis is to admit that their overwhelmingly white victims might have an ethnic grievance, and that can never be admitted. White society must always be the victimizer, never the victim, no matter what the facts are: The maintance of liberal power depends on a ceaseless offensive on this front.