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This issue might seem trivial to some. At issue is the marked income differential between a person with a college degree and a person without one. Also, some colleges are more equal than others.

I have to give the figures by memorly but from the monograph The American Dream In Massachussets 2000 the statistics show over the last 10 years or so persons with less than HS diploma had their wages decrease by over 11%, persons with a HS diploma increased their wages by 1% and those with some college increased their wages by 3-4% and those with a BA or better increased their wages by 40%.

For good or ill, people who get an education are increasing their standard of living and those who aren't, on the average, are not. Other statistics in this monograph were that the upper income quintile worked four times as many hours in a year as the lowest quintile. Almost all the people in the top quintile were married, college educated and prone to have their families late.

1 posted on 10/07/2002 6:03:26 PM PDT by shrinkermd
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2 posted on 10/07/2002 6:11:28 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: shrinkermd
Now that we are dumbing down the college pool, won't the value of an education have a diminishing return? There is a systematic attempt to regulate, not only the SAT's, but the content of education itself, so that what is taught in Public High Schools is what is tested on the SAT. One student might attend a private school where the study of the western canon is emphasized; along with the ensuing ability to reason. However, the Public Schools will be educating in group think, and value centered think, and diversity think, and eco-think, and if that is what the test measures, than our bright young educated in the western canon will not measure up. Who then will the willing participants in the social experiment, the Harvards, and Princetons, and Yales, take? Why the social schooling exemplars, nevermind that they are not the truly educated. They will be, nevertheless, the truly socially engineered elite. V's wife.
3 posted on 10/07/2002 6:26:38 PM PDT by ventana
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To: shrinkermd
I have corrective lenses on my license too and they would be wrong because it was an RMV( yes in Taxachussetts its RMV) mistake. Those idiots when I got my lost licensed replaced sent me one with a "corrective lenses" restriction this was after they put in on my temporary and I took an eye test to have that error corrected.
4 posted on 10/07/2002 6:37:54 PM PDT by weikel
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To: shrinkermd
Before panic, lets look at the big picture.

Jobs that require real knowledge and skill need workers who have made a start at that in college. They then continue to build their knowlege base and skills via OJT. This has not changed.

Employers know the value of degrees from colleges. Certain colleges have certain degrees which are pretty worthless. Getting these degrees from these colleges is a waste of time and money.

Devaluing the SATs just means that colleges have to consider other factors - grades, jobs held in high school, the written essay, etc. The fact is that not getting into the most competitive colleges means jack s**t in terms of earnings.

So there are three classes of students who will have parents trying to take advantage of this "disabled category".
(1) Students who really are disabled.
(2) Students who's parents want them to go to the "best" schools".
(3) Students so lame that they can't get into college at all unless they use this advantage.

So what happens? Students in category (3) will flunk out of college - or get a degree in social "science", or journalism, or education, or some other ratbag degree from a 5th tier school. The fact that they used this "advantage" threatens no one.
Students in category (2) will be the lying, slimey weasals that fill corporate politics everywhere. Nothing new here.
Students in category (1) will be in the same boat that they are in now.

7 posted on 10/07/2002 6:53:43 PM PDT by dark_lord
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To: shrinkermd
After all, for most students the hardest part of the SATs is working under the pressure of the clock.

Absolutely true. And appropriate, I might add, since real life has time pressures, too. The SATs are all about mental quickness and comprehension, not profound reasoning ability or original thought.

I'd venture to guess that given twice as much time as normally permitted, average scores might be in the 1400 range. The math portion is 8th-grade math; you just have to know the quickest way to solve the problem.

Don't ask me why, but after lo these many years, I can still recall one math question from my SAT. A diagram of a 3-dimensional shape was shown; it looked like a squared-off armchair, and measurements in feet of all edges were given. The problem was to determine the volume of the shape. Well, just about anyone was capable of calculating the volume of the "seat," the "back," and the two "arms" of the "chair," and adding them to yield the total volume. Given 60 seconds, I'd guess 95% would have gotten the answer.

Problem was, of course, you didn't have 60 seconds to solve a single problem. Those with better cognative ability immediately recognized the shape as a cube with a smaller cube cut out of it. To them, the answer was apparent in a very few seconds: 5 cubed minus 3 cubed equals 98 cubic feet.

Relaxing the time constraints, or otherwise dumbing down the test, renders it nearly pointless, which is the aim of the egalitarians. Soon, we'll be like Garrison Keilor's Lake Woebegon, "where all the children are above average."

8 posted on 10/07/2002 7:15:53 PM PDT by southernnorthcarolina
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To: jstone78
You might find this interesting given our last topic of conversation.
9 posted on 10/07/2002 8:22:43 PM PDT by Rodney King
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To: shrinkermd
Data point: I have a B.S., got an MBA in 1994, and my wages went up about 40% between 1990 and 2000.
12 posted on 10/08/2002 11:05:41 AM PDT by Forgiven_Sinner
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