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Farm goods rot as port shutdown continues
ABS-CBNNews ^ | 10/6/02 | KIM BACA

Posted on 10/06/2002 9:11:56 AM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

FRESNO, California - A weeklong shutdown of the West Coast’s major ports has left stacks of market-bound farm produce to rot on the docks and in the holds of ships that can’t reach shore.

As contract talks continued between the dockworkers union and shipping lines Saturday, about 1.3 billion apples were awaiting shipment to Asia, nearly 8,000 tons of frozen meat from Australia sat in untouched shipping containers, and hundreds of tons of other fruit and food products remained far from intended markets.

About 5 million pounds of yellow, red, pearl and other onions grown in the Northwest are in danger of becoming moldy, said Del Allen, president of Allports Forwarding, a cargo booking business for farm products.

Each day it continues, the shutdown is costing the US economy an estimated $2 billion, and for many farmers, it comes at the worst possible time - the peak of the fall harvest.

“By not having product being shipped to customers, you’re also not receiving money,” said John Rotteveel, who grows and packs almonds in Dixon, California, and exports about 90 percent of his crop.

On Saturday, as representatives of dockworkers and management began their third consecutive day of meetings with a federal mediator in San Francisco, the White House warned both sides to resolve their differences.

“The President’s message to labor and management is simple: You are hurting the economy,” press secretary Ari Fleischer said while traveling with President Bush in New Hampshire.

Two senior administration officials said Bush was considering appointing a board of inquiry into the lockout, a potential first step toward ordering workers back to their jobs for 80 days under the Taft-Hartley Act. Shippers have urged Bush to use the act, but several unions have spoken out against it.

The contract dispute between shipping lines and dockworkers - largely over benefits, the arbitration process and whether jobs created by new technology will be unionized - has sent ripples through nation’s agriculture industry, causing slowdowns of the harvest, and in some cases, layoffs.

Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railway stopped grain shipments to the West Coast on Tuesday to avoid further congestion at the ports, said Patrick Hiatte, the railway’s spokesman.

At sea, much of the chilled beef, lamb and mutton held up on ships could spoil before it reaches consumers, said Dennis Carl, chairman of the Australian Meat Council’s shipping committee.

Though most products can be safely refrigerated, storage problems and costs are mounting.

The D.J. Forry Co. spent $7,200 to bring 1,360 crates of plums from the Port of Long Beach to its warehouse in Reedley, California, and will spend $5,000 more to truck them to East Coast docks before a much longer voyage to Asia.

Sales manager Cary Crum said D.J. Forry also is bringing grapes back from the port and plans to truck them to New Jersey for shipment to the United Kingdom. The company will have to absorb the extra shipping costs, rather than sell the plums and grapes domestically, because they’re already packaged for overseas markets.

Other producers are redirecting food to American supermarkets, which could mean lower prices, said Colin Carter, a professor of agricultural resource economics who studies international trade at the University of California, Davis.

Wholesale prices are already dropping for beef, said Chuck Lambert, chief economist for the National Cattlemen’s Beef Association.


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To: Billy_bob_bob
You've been played.

Because of a fraction of a percent of CEO's have proven to be corrupt, you've turned your back on your free market allegience to managers over unions?

You're too emotional to be a conservative...wear your brown shirt proudly commie.

21 posted on 10/06/2002 10:48:36 AM PDT by Nephi
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To: Billy_bob_bob
Perhaps someday you will change your mind, like I changed mine.

My mind was changed in 1993 when my company tasked me to train and mentor 4 new Asian workers who could barely comprehend English. Six months later, 4 hard-working Americans lost their jobs.

Those out there (whose jobs are not so vulnerable) who would support my employer's decision with comments like : "It's his business" ... "this is capitalism" would likely not favor the drive to unionize. But if the employers are able to look out for their own best interests, why shouldn't workers unionize in their own best interest? Why can managers be "self-interested," while their employees are exhorted to "act in the interest of the economy, the country," etc?

22 posted on 10/06/2002 10:56:49 AM PDT by bimbo
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To: Nephi
You have no idea how much I like the idea of truly free markets, markets where good ideas can become new products and where hard work can result in benefits gained.

However, what I have seen in America over the last twenty years has not been anything like that. What I have seen instead is a big game being played, where those who play by the rules get shafted while those who play fast and loose with the rules are rewarded. I've seen a legal system that responds only to those who spend the most money on it. I've seen people who worked their hearts out on projects tossed aside in an instant in favor of some H1-b who is willing to work for cheap. It just goes on and on and on. So yes, I'm emotional about it, I've personally been shafted hard enough and often enough to have good reason to be emotional about it.

If I wanted to really curse you, I would simply ask the powers that be for you to experience what I have experienced first hand. Live through what I've lived through. Maybe then you would understand my being emotional about it.

I have repeatedly stated on thread after thread that the ONLY difference between the first world and the third world is that the first world has the social and legal infrastructure to provide for the creation and protection of wealth, and the third world doesn't. That's it. There is no other meaningful difference.

This social and legal infrastructure directly implies that both the impoverished and the power elite will refrain from robbing and looting their neighbors. When you have a nation that has rejected this notion on a popular basis you end up with Africa or Mexico. If you have a nation where the power elite have rejected this notion then you end up with America as it is today. Because the power elite of this nation have not only turned their backs on the working class of this nation, they have flat out turned against the working class. And I for one am sick of it.

If it takes unions to be able to counter the rapacity of the CEO's of America, then I'm pro-union. As of right now this is the only thing that I know of that has any record of being able to fight back successfully. Considering the new tools used against workers that have been developed over the last twenty years (like the H1-b program) I would suggest that there are a whole lot of people out there who are starting to feel like I do.

So, I suggest you re-consider the names you slung at me. From what I know of history and economics neither Communism or National Socialism really believed in private property or rule of law. Unless you believe that unions are Communist at heart. If so, please state why you believe that?
23 posted on 10/06/2002 11:03:59 AM PDT by Billy_bob_bob
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
It's in each nation's best self-interest to be as capable of producing it's own food supply as it's own natural resources and climate permits. International trade in such produce merely creates a dangerous and unreliable inter-dependence on food for the profitablity of transnational middlemen.
24 posted on 10/06/2002 11:04:37 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
How do you think this affects the Farm Bill?
25 posted on 10/06/2002 11:08:19 AM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
This sort of reminds me of the start of the movie "Blackhawk Down", where the intro said that Aidid kept the much needed food for his starving country at the ports to rot so he could control Somalia.

Stravation as a weapon...Economic starvation as a weapon...what's the difference? Already, they are talking about shutting down the Nissan assembly plants in Tennessee if something isn't done by the end of next week...

26 posted on 10/06/2002 11:10:31 AM PDT by Brian Mosely
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
How do you think this affects the Farm Bill?

Totally unrelated.
It has been decades since any farm bill has had anything to do with actual food production.

27 posted on 10/06/2002 11:27:57 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: coronado
I've bever felt so angry with a group of people in my life. Those damn Selfish Bastards, breaking the hard working farmers' backs. Those dock workers can go to Hell.

Not that I'm particularly pro-union, but it's management that's yanking the chain here. The Pacific Maritime Association is not anyone's friend. They're counting on the rest of the country to bail them out of a situation of their own devising. It's worked for other industries, hasn't it?

Are you a troll?

28 posted on 10/06/2002 11:28:41 AM PDT by no-s
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To: coronado
You can say that again! I was thinking, because of the
timing, just before an election; Mabe the democrats
set this up to influence the election. What do you think?
29 posted on 10/06/2002 11:50:30 AM PDT by upcountryhorseman
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To: Billy_bob_bob
Have you seen what a house costs in the Bay Area? Try about $400k for something that is a "fixer-upper" in a reasonably nice neighborhood where the people actually water their lawns and don't leave junk cars lying around..... God forbid that the people who ACTUALLY DO THE WORK should be able to afford a place to live! GOD FORBID!

As someone who lives in Puget Sound, I would point out that you and I pay for the San Francisco Economic Bubble.

If you pay these guys $120,000 per year to do what is basically relatively unskilled labor, you and I pick up the cost at the Safeway checkout line.

If the rest of the country refuses to play the California Bay Area Economic Bubble Game, the San Francisco Real Estate Bubble will collapse as over-priced San Francisco real estate remains unsold.

It is not the responsibility of the rest of America to make it possible for San Franciscans to charge each other half a million dollars for a house and fifteen dollars for a cup of coffee with steamed milk in it.

If dockworkers can't afford to buy a $400,000 San Farncisco house, they are free to leave San Francisco, find a more affordable place to work and let San Francisco die as a port.

Puget Sound has lot's of very affordable housing within a reasonable communte of the Port of Seattle. Of course, these guys want $120,000 per year to unload ships here too.

30 posted on 10/06/2002 12:21:49 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: no-s
Why would this make him a troll?
31 posted on 10/06/2002 1:20:48 PM PDT by weikel
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To: Billy_bob_bob
"Unless you believe that unions are Communist at heart."

"From each, according to ability; to each, according to need." --Karl Marx

In other words, big pay for bad work.

32 posted on 10/06/2002 2:02:22 PM PDT by MonroeDNA
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To: Willie Green
"International trade in such produce merely creates a dangerous and unreliable inter-dependence on food for the profitablity of transnational middlemen. "

It also means cheaper food for us, raising our standard of living, and better wages for them, improving their standard of living. Win-win, to the little guy. I like cheap grapes from Chile. The farmer there likes my American bucks. The only loser here is Marx.

33 posted on 10/06/2002 2:05:42 PM PDT by MonroeDNA
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To: Polybius
Is it possible to run a "non-union dock" anywhere on the west coast??? Or do these guys have the entire seaboard locked up???

Interesting monopoly they have. almost as good as Bill Gates' business.
34 posted on 10/06/2002 2:25:43 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: WOSG
Is it possible to run a "non-union dock" anywhere on the west coast??? Or do these guys have the entire seaboard locked up??? Interesting monopoly they have. almost as good as Bill Gates' business.

My little town used to be a major Puget Sound Port of Entry.......back in 1889.

What do you say we pool our financial resources together and get this town back into the longshoreman business. People in this town would kiss your feet for a $60,000 a year job. Since that is half of what Union longshoremen make, think how much money you and I can make as owners if we undercut the Union docks by 20%.

I've got it all planned out.

I'll handle all the paper work at an "undisclosed secret location" and you can handle the interactions with all the Union toughs that show up at our docks with brass knuckles and lead pipes. :-)

35 posted on 10/06/2002 3:17:05 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Billy_bob_bob
I stand by my first response to you.

What you haven't figured out is that the Ebbers, Winnigs, McAuliffes, Clintons, Rubins and Sweeneys are on the same team. The problem with your reasoning/emoting is that they never represented free markets/capitalismm in the first place. Capitalism is so effective that in spite of their communist infiltration our nation is still a "first world" nation.

I'm truly sorry if you've been screwed by globalist communists, but throwing in with the union communists will only make it harder for us capitalists to preserve our standard of living.

36 posted on 10/06/2002 7:29:48 PM PDT by Nephi
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To: Nephi
I'm not going to say you're wrong, because you do make quite a bit of sense. Tell you what. How about we put together something and call it, oh I don't know, how about a "Justice System" that actually works! Instead of the bad joke of a justice system that we currently have that allows people who are shafting you daily to drag cases on for decades!

Give me a justice system that allows me to believe in the idea that the person who is in the wrong concerning violation of good faith or contract will face actual punishment for their misdeeds, instead of being forced to part with a tiny fraction of what they have stolen!

Give me actual law and order, actual justice in the courtrooms instead of the money-soaked travesty we currently have, and I'll give up on the idea of unions. Until then, in the real world where the courts are more twisted than a corkscrew, I'll put my support behind unions. Because I know just how rapacious the SOB's on the boardrooms are, and I know that they are greedy vermin who would take the coins off of their dead mother's eyes. I've seen them in action first hand, thank you. I've seen it with my own eyes. They are theiving scum, and our court system is unwilling to do anything meaningful to punish them for their theivery.

Give me actual rule of law, give me a system that allows me to believe that something other than money determines the outcome of civil court cases, and I'll gladly abandon the notion of unions. As of right now, however, that seems about as likely as my flapping my arms and flying to the moon.

Our legal system is totally and completely driven by money. Nothing else. No functioning legal system means average people get shafted by management on a daily basis which means that people are going to resort to other means to protect their interests. Unions are one way. I'm open to suggestions on other ways.
37 posted on 10/06/2002 7:55:20 PM PDT by Billy_bob_bob
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To: weikel
Excessive use of capitalization, with a double shot of vitriol. Looks like an attempt at rabble-rousing.
38 posted on 10/06/2002 8:07:57 PM PDT by no-s
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To: Polybius
Doesnt happen to be Port Townsend does it? my wife and I stayed there at a B&B. really nice small town at the tip of peninsula (olympic range?).

can it handle container cargo?

My grandpa was a tough longshoreman type in brooklyn. had mob connections. we'll see if i handle the heat. wed have to become democrats i think. :-)

If you have a port that can handle container shipping, or maybe get creative and do it *in the sound itself* ... I got a PhD, man of many ideas ... you may be able to get around some of the restrictions of current system. Think of floating barges that have railcars on top. Then you dont even need a deepwater port... hmmm. :-)

OTOH, i bet for all the high-wage workers, most of the cost is capital.

Interesting thoughts.



39 posted on 10/06/2002 9:51:59 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: WOSG
Doesnt happen to be (insert name of town here) does it?

If I told you, I'd have to kill you. :-)

can it handle container cargo?

With some dredging. Let's just say that I have taken great photos of the USS Nimitz at anchor with a 50 mm lens while standing in my own back yard.

My grandpa was a tough longshoreman type in brooklyn. had mob connections. we'll see if i handle the heat. wed have to become democrats i think. :-)

Told you I had it all figured out. :-)

Think of floating barges that have railcars on top. Then you dont even need a deepwater port... hmmm. :-)

The waterfront still has a railroad bridge that goes out to a mooring. Back in the old days, ships would dock at the mooring and the railroad cars would be loaded directly from the ships. With container ships, you just need a crane to put a container on a flat bed railroad car. Of course, that wooden railroad bridge is so old that it stays up just by force of habit.

40 posted on 10/06/2002 10:31:24 PM PDT by Polybius
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