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Voters Should Reject Costly Class-Size Amendment
The Tampa Tribune ^ | Oct 4, 2002 | Tampa Tribune Editorial Opinion

Posted on 10/04/2002 7:42:45 AM PDT by windchime

Voters Should Reject Costly Class-Size Amendment

Published: Oct 4, 2002

During this year's regular legislative session, Sen. Kendrick Meek, D-Miami, tried unsuccessfully to get a bill passed that would limit the size of classes in Florida's schools. When his efforts failed, he started a citizen ballot initiative that, if passed, would amend the state constitution to allow classes of no more than 18 students in kindergarten through third grade; 22 in fourth through eighth grade; and 25 in high school. It would phase in between 2003 and 2010, requiring the state Legislature, not local governments or school boards, to cover costs. It's Amendment 9 on the Nov. 5 ballot.

This amendment is a classic example of why citizens' ballot initiatives are often without merit and why they should not be so easy to bring about.

For starters, there is no conclusive evidence that reducing class size improves education. Last year the journal Education Week made a strong point about a problem elsewhere:

``Over the past decade, the state of Nevada has spent almost $500 million to keep class sizes under 20 students in the early grades. While four evaluations of the program have been conducted since 1993, officials at the state education department still have little proof that the long-running initiative is really improving student achievement.''

In 1996 the California Legislature mandated class-size reduction and authorized $3.7 billion to cut class sizes from an average of 30 students to 20. An evaluation of the effort four years later showed only modest improvements in classroom performance and noted that ``rapid implementation may have increased underlying inequities in the state's educational system that may threaten the state's ability to reap the full rewards of this huge investment.''

Worse, California's class-size reduction program may have increased inequities for low-income urban schools by the forced hiring of new teachers, many of whom were inexperienced and possessed inferior credentials. According to the study, ``The already weaker qualifications of teachers serving poor and minority students are now dramatically worse'' because of the rush to expand the number of classrooms.

There is little evidence that outcomes would be different in Florida, where, as in California, rapid population growth forces even newly built schools to use portable classrooms and strains a teacher pool that seems thinner every year. It is estimated that Florida will admit an additional 72,000 students next school year.

From an administrative standpoint, one Florida principal told the Tribune editorial board that she did not want her hands tied by such an amendment. She described how she might have one class with six students who need the attention, but another classroom may have 33 gifted students who interact well with one another. If the initiative passes, that gifted class would have to be cut off at a preset number, to the exclusion of students who might otherwise benefit.

Then there is the question of where the money for this initiative is going to come from. Budget constraints forced the Legislature to make some painful cuts in education earlier this year. Although the Florida Supreme Court struck down a law requiring a price tag on proposed amendments to the Florida Constitution - leaving voters to decide in November on such a requirement - the question of cost still remains.

National Teacher Shortage Already Severe

Citizens signing petitions to mandate reduced class sizes probably didn't make the connection between the goal and the cost. Estimates run between $12 billion to $27 billion to build additional classrooms and hire 31,000 more teachers during the next eight years.

And with a nationwide shortage already, where are the additional teachers going to come from?

Voters and petition signers also need to be reminded that the state already has special classes for students considered ``at risk'' and in need of the attention a smaller class is theoretically designed to provide them. Additionally, federal programs such as Title I often cover students that state programs don't. While there is room for improvement, the poorest of the state's students are not being neglected.

The sponsors of this class-reduction initiative may have the best intentions, but its effectiveness is questionable and its cost likely to be prohibitive. We urge Floridians to vote no on Amendment 9.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: classsize; education; florida
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Please see Ragtime Cowgirl's Post On This Topic: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/762894/posts Quite a contrast here. Obviously, the Tampa Tribune has a jounalist who "still cares about the truth".
1 posted on 10/04/2002 7:42:46 AM PDT by windchime
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To: windchime
WOW, this is actually a NEWSPAPER editorial?
2 posted on 10/04/2002 7:47:32 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: windchime
Interesting editorial from the hometown of "Income Tax and
Spend" Bill McBride. Just another Lawton Chiles clone.
3 posted on 10/04/2002 8:03:18 AM PDT by CSXT
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To: CSXT
"Interesting editorial from the hometown of "Income Tax and
Spend" Bill McBride. Just another Lawton Chiles clone."


I agree. It certainly provides a contrast to the following link:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/762894/posts
4 posted on 10/04/2002 8:18:27 AM PDT by windchime
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To: 1Old Pro
"WOW, this is actually a NEWSPAPER editorial?"


Incredible, huh? See post #4. Home of McBride/McAuliffe!
The truth occasionally comes out. You might also want to see:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/762476/posts



5 posted on 10/04/2002 8:25:16 AM PDT by windchime
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To: windchime
Perhaps there is hope afterall.
6 posted on 10/04/2002 8:40:05 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: 1Old Pro
"Perhaps there is hope afterall."


We wouldn't be here looking for scraps of truth if we didn't think so.
7 posted on 10/04/2002 9:01:52 AM PDT by windchime
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To: windchime; summer; floriduh voter; JulieRNR21; Goldwater Girl; PhiKapMom; Wait4Truth; ...
the Tampa Tribune has a jounalist who "still cares about the truth".

Even the Miami Herald has printed this: Voters favor class-size plan -- but not cost, Sept. 29, Miami Herald. Voters overwhelmingly support the "class-size" amendment until they hear the cost. Other papers..?

Florida Freepers master ping. Fla. press fairness alert.

Please let me know whether you want on or off the "'til election day" Fla. ping list.

8 posted on 10/04/2002 9:15:45 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: windchime
Okay, who hacked the Trib?
9 posted on 10/04/2002 9:17:13 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Thanks for the 'ping', Ragtime Cowgirl!
10 posted on 10/04/2002 9:17:42 AM PDT by windchime
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To: mewzilla
"Okay, who hacked the Trib?"

Dunno, but they're on the right side of the issue.
11 posted on 10/04/2002 9:19:00 AM PDT by windchime
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To: mewzilla
These press offerings needed balance:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/762894/posts


12 posted on 10/04/2002 9:23:54 AM PDT by windchime
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Keep me on please.

This is great to see the truth come out in an editorial by the press! Maybe it is all the grief you Florida Freepers have been giving them.

You Florida Freepers are #1 IMHO!
13 posted on 10/04/2002 9:25:21 AM PDT by PhiKapMom
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
It is a sad commentary that we are so shocked when we see honest reporting by a member of the press. However, I still applaud it. Governor Bush has already criticized mclawyer for not telling voters how much this would cost them. When I was a kid, we had 34-36 students in our classes and we learned. It' s not about class size; it's about teacher qualifications and discipline. It's also about parents...the liberals will never learn.
14 posted on 10/04/2002 11:14:50 AM PDT by Wait4Truth
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To: PhiKapMom; Wait4Truth
Hugs to you both.

If this "class-size" scam hasn't arrived in your state PKM...it will, although Oklahoma could win this war for the rest of the nation...hold out against the NEA-VLWC. You need us, just ping. (^;


According to Chanin (Robert Chanin, NEA General Counsel), it would be worthwhile for the NEA to make the effort to engage in high scale, new education-reform-friendly model statutes, even if a legislative approach based on collaboration should fail. Such an initiative would demonstrate that collective bargaining and education reform are fully compatible. Chanin concluded, "Finally, this type of effort would reaffirm, that despite its agenda, the NEA is first and foremost a union and employee representation is the lifeblood of any union!" .NEA convention 2000 - class-size is about increasing Union membership.

"The evils of vouchers were by far the preeminent topic throughout the convention. Neither of us heard as much as one sentence that portrayed vouchers as anything but a right-wing scheme to destroy public education, or a snare and a delusion for the unwary. Other than vouchers, internal affairs and national politics, the focus was on racism, discrimination, homophobia, higher federal appropriations, and more teacher benefits and protections."NEA-NAACP, these are "non-partisan" tax-free organization?

During this year's regular legislative session, Sen. Kendrick Meek, D-Miami, tried unsuccessfully to get a bill passed that would limit the size of classes in Florida's schools. When his efforts failed, he started a citizen ballot initiative that, if passed, would amend the state constitution ...
Voters Should Reject Costly Class-Size Amendment , Oct. 2002.

Good "class-size" resource.

15 posted on 10/04/2002 11:49:55 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Here is the Oklahoma rules (actually most of our elementary classrooms won't take more that 20-24 students per classroom in the elementary schools):

Reduced class sizes: For kindergarten through sixth grades, a student teacher ratio of 20:1 is mandated. For students in grades seventh through twelfth, the maximum number of students allowed per teacher is 140 per day. Failure to comply with class size limits results in sanctions, which are authorized by statute. The amount of funding withheld from school districts for exceeding class size limits decreased from $989,866 in FY'92 to $28,479 in FY'00, a reduction of 97%.

Exemptions: Some classrooms are exempted from calculations of class size limits:

- If the class taught is a physical education or music class;
- If the classroom exceeds the limit within the first nine weeks of school;
- If the creation of an additional class will cause a class to have fewer than 10 students in kindergarten through grade three, and fewer than 16 for grades four through six.
- If a teacher's assistant is employed to serve in classrooms that exceed the class size limitation.
- If the school district has voted indebtedness through the issuance of bonds for more than 85% of the maximum allowable pursuant to the provisions of Section 26 of Article X of the Oklahoma Constitution; or
- If the school district is voting the maximum millage allowable for the support, maintenance and construction of schools.



16 posted on 10/04/2002 12:02:06 PM PDT by PhiKapMom
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
This election is starting to make me just as crazy as 2000! Between the unions, the RATS and the trial lawyers, I am sure I am going to go nuts!
17 posted on 10/04/2002 3:54:43 PM PDT by Wait4Truth
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To: Wait4Truth
When the press makes me nuts, I call a Senator, or a reporter, lol. It helps. I'm not being kind to the press in my calls and e-mails...even knowing "a soft answer turns away wrath"...because I don't think the left hears reason today, but will respond to toughness and anger. Rummy can, summer can, I vent...and repent. (^:
18 posted on 10/04/2002 4:37:53 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Refreshing to read the truth in a newspaper....thanks for the ping!

Is Jeb running any tv ads about the cost of Amendment 9 yet?
19 posted on 10/04/2002 8:26:38 PM PDT by JulieRNR21
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