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Forrester Atty's ask AG Ashcroft, SCOTUS Justice Souter to Protect NJ Military Ballots
ABC News ^ | October 3, 2002 | Liz Wilner

Posted on 10/03/2002 8:02:40 AM PDT by tip of the sword

At some point today Forrester's attorneys are expected to:

1. Ask a US District Court Judge in Trenton to order New Jersey to proceed with its election without interruption, aguing that a stoppage at this point would violate the due process rights of those filling out military and overseas absentee ballots under Federal Voting rights act provisions.

2.Ask Attorney General John Ashcroft to do the same thing, though, as ABC NEWS's Lumplin advises, the connection between what Forrester wants and what Ashcroft can deliver is not clear.

3.Appeal with the aid of the National Republican Senate Committee Alex Vogel directly to the US Supreme Court's David Souter, the duty justice, arguing that state legislatures and only state legislatures only have discretion to manage the time and place of elections.

4.At 11AM EST today in Trenton a state superior judge is expected to begin the process of supervising the reprinting ands redistrubition of ballots.

5.At 10 AM EST Republcians will hold a press conference at the Statehouse in Trenton, replete with military veterans who will testify to the necessity of recieving absentee ballots in a timely fashion.

6.At 11:00 AM Forrester's campaign plans to submit paperwork to the US District Court in Trenton.

7.Shortly thereafter, the NSRC expects to ask the Supreme Court for an expedited review of the case.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: appeal; ashcroft; emergencydocket; scotus
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Schedule for today is in the middle of the page..and Lautenberg is meeting with Dashole and Unions today on the hill

Any legalese experts about appealing directly to Souter on this 'duty justice' thing?

1 posted on 10/03/2002 8:02:41 AM PDT by tip of the sword
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To: tip of the sword
These Guys are idiots. Most of this stuff should have been, a: Ready, in anticipation of Losing. b: Set in Motion last night, or at the very latest, First thing this AM.
2 posted on 10/03/2002 8:04:26 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: tip of the sword
2.Ask Attorney General John Ashcroft to do the same thing, though, as ABC NEWS's Lumplin advises, the connection between what Forrester wants and what Ashcroft can deliver is not clear.

DOJ is the responsible party for making sure Federal Voting Laws are complied with.

3 posted on 10/03/2002 8:05:29 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: hobbes1
What is the SCOTUS 'duty justice', is that kinda of like doctor on call? Can Souter do anything right away..
4 posted on 10/03/2002 8:07:38 AM PDT by tip of the sword
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To: hobbes1
It does seem like Dems have GOPs whipped when it comes to lawyering. They didn't even have a feasibility argument for the NJSC, which, it seems to me, they should have had. I know, I know, they rewrote the law, but what the hell? If the battle is pitched on the issue of feasibility, then fight it there. Get in your other stuff to set up appeals, but fight the fight of the moment as well. But, hey, what the heck do I know?
5 posted on 10/03/2002 8:09:52 AM PDT by Huck
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And what can the AG do under the scope of enforcing the Voting Rights Act?
6 posted on 10/03/2002 8:10:45 AM PDT by tip of the sword
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Souter could issue an injunction to stop the 'Craps while the case is appealed to the SCOTUS.

Knowing what we do about empty-Souter, I'd expect him to do nothing to hurt Lautenberg. Souter being 'duty justice' is very bad news for lovers of the rule of law.

7 posted on 10/03/2002 8:11:41 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty
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To: tip of the sword
Primarily Sue, but I believe, at tht level there are also possible criminal sanctions when Officials break the Law, and Force States into a Consent Agreement, where future electeions are MONITORED by DOJ.
8 posted on 10/03/2002 8:12:21 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: Huck
"It does seem like Dems have GOPs whipped when it comes to lawyering."

I'd argue that it's not "lawyering" they're better at, it's "Judge Shopping". We knew the fix was in when NJ Supreme Court was going to be the venue.

9 posted on 10/03/2002 8:13:11 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty
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To: Huck
If the battle is pitched on the issue of feasibility, then fight it there.

I disagree. Its clear as day that a State court can not change a deadline in a law written by the State legislature. There is no issue at all for a court to look at. This should never have even been allowed to be brought before a court.

10 posted on 10/03/2002 8:14:10 AM PDT by FreeTally
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To: Cyber Liberty
Yeh, there was a pre-event story showing the "stacked" deck in the Joisy judicial system!!

Sac

11 posted on 10/03/2002 8:15:16 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Cyber Liberty
Didn't they issue an injunction on SCOFLA in 2000?

Time is of the essence and the New Jersey State Government/Tony Sopranos relatives started re-printing new ballots 20 minutes ago!

12 posted on 10/03/2002 8:15:45 AM PDT by tip of the sword
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To: tip of the sword
I'm in Hoboken right now and there is LousyBerg signs Everywhere!

It would be real funny if SCOTUS shoots the RATS! down and they have to clean up...

13 posted on 10/03/2002 8:17:09 AM PDT by FreeMe2
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So Ashcroft can join in on the legal action as well..can we get Ted Olsen into this fray??
14 posted on 10/03/2002 8:18:11 AM PDT by tip of the sword
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To: Huck
The battle should have been pitched somewhat, thusly (mind you this is a two minute rant...)

Justices, I must admit, I was rather confused as to why we are even here. But after hearing my esteemed colleagues argument, it is all very clear to me... The courts position regarding the application of the election statutes has been made very clear. I am quoting from .(Schundler v. County Clerks, Bob Franks et al).

" But in responding to the parties' claims, we must not lose sight of the objective our laws are intended to achieve. Left unsaid in all these technical assertions are certain propositions so deeply embedded in our jurisprudence that they rarely find expression. Perhaps these values, which go to the very heart of our democratic system, need restating. First, the purpose of our election laws is to afford voters the maximum opportunity to make a choice. Second, our interpretation of these detailed statutes should allow the greatest scope for public participation in the electoral process as is possible consistent with the statutory language employed. ...."

Realising that it began to dawn on me, exactly what the issue at hand really is. The statute controlling replacing a candidate is clear and unambiguous. It sets forth a 48 day deadline. The statutes providing the Governor the Ability to appoint a candidate in the event of a vacancy as described in 19:3-25 and 19:3-26 provide for replacement of a candidate, but not reconfiguration of the ballot. In the event of less than 30 days, and unless prohibited by the US Constitution, the election for that office is delayed one year, or sooner if a Special Election is to be called. But, we do not have a Vacancy here, as defined by the statute (19:3-25). That vacancy can only occur, if Senator Torricelli leaves his Senate seat. that has not happened.

What has happened? In effect, by withdrawing in the manner he did, Senator Torricelli, is conceding the race before election day, unless he wishes to resign and allow the Governor to invoke the Vacancy statute. But Righ now, at this moment is not controlling.

So we are left with the 48 day deadline. so what is my colleague seeking really?

They have 35 days to mount an effective write in campaign against Mr. Forrester, nothing prohibits that. What they are really asking for, is to have the voters choice restricted from Torricelli, who dropped out, but EARNED his Ballot spot, in the Primary and Forrester and Their new chice Mr. Lautenberg, down to ONLY Forrester and Lautenberg, in efect they are seeking to restrict the chice of the voter to their advantage. Further since there is no provision keeping them from writing Lautenberg in state wide, the real issue at hand is that they are asking the court to disregard the statuatory 48 day deadline and tgive them advatageous ballot positioning which the law clearly states they are not entitled to.

15 posted on 10/03/2002 8:18:45 AM PDT by hobbes1
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What is the SCOTUS 'duty justice'

Aboard ships in the navy, someone aboard is always "In Charge," even down to the departmental level.

16 posted on 10/03/2002 8:18:46 AM PDT by thinktwice
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To: hobbes1
It probably has already been filed, or will be ASAP. What they want is the picture with the veterans and the announcement about the military ballots.

This is the one issue that will get Souter to allow it fast track, and it is the one most likely to be taken by the Supreme Court.

AND, it is the one that resonates with the voters and doesn't sound like whining!!

17 posted on 10/03/2002 8:19:15 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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Boy, I think Joisey is going to get stomped on royally by the Supreme Court. The Joisey is setting the rules for the elction and not the Legislature....AND...the election was already in progress when they went to court.

Sac

18 posted on 10/03/2002 8:19:24 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: tip of the sword
If this case makes it to SCOTUS, with DOJ, as United States, n a lawsuit, yes, but that will not likely happen.
19 posted on 10/03/2002 8:19:31 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: Huck
It does seem like Dems have GOPs whipped when it comes to lawyering.

That's what people said in Floriduh too. Is Gore our president? Nope.

20 posted on 10/03/2002 8:20:19 AM PDT by CheezyD
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