IF THEY WEREN'T SERIOUS, THIS WOULD BE HYSTERICAL

The Cigar Show ^ | 2 October 2002 | Chuck Cason

[Roscoe]

"Libertarians are not belittled, castagated, bashed, grouped, and labled anymore than any other political species on this forum. We're all belittled, castagated, bashed, grouped, and labled more or less equally. By the way, since when did libertarians take up the liberal victimhood status?"

Great quote on your homepage!

[Protagoras]

You'll abide by the law or you'll be out of business.

Come yourself to tell me I can't have smoking in my business place. Don't be a coward, come yourself. Hint, the second amendment was written with guys like you in mind.

[VRWC_minion]

What's wrong with letting the restaurtant owner decide if his establishment is to be non-smoking, have a non-smoking section, or allows smoking? Isn't this the free market in action?

Nothing, I support this. However, NY changed the issue. The restaurants have chosen to go non-smoking provided their is a state wide ban to protect them. Therefore, these private property owners have made their decision and its not favorable to smokers.

[Just another Joe]

Tell the health inspector that he hasn't proved that your failure to clean a filthy restaurant has harmed anybody yet.

You have assumed again. I am agreeing with you that if you don't clean your restaurant, don't keep the vermin away, serve spoiled meat, don't wash your hands after using the bathroom and then preparing, or serving, food that there IS proof of harm in those things. It can be, and has been, proven. There are no dissenting scientific views on these things.
Cite me the scientific study that has not been debunked, thrown out of court, or used cherry picked data that Environmental Tobacco Smoke harms anyone that does not have a pre-existing medical condition.
I'm willing to bet that I can find a study that says it doesn't for every study you find that says it does.
THAT is lack of proof of harm.

[Just another Joe]

The restaurants have chosen to go non-smoking provided their is a state wide ban to protect them.

Where did you see this? Did I miss something THAT big in this story?

[Roscoe]

Hint, the second amendment was written with guys like you in mind.

Thanks!

"To suppose arms in the hands of citizens, to be used at individual discretion, except in private self-defense, or by partial orders of towns, countries or districts of a state, is to demolish every constitution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty can be enjoyed by no man; it is a dissolution of the government. The fundamental law of the militia is, that it be created, directed and commanded by the laws, and ever for the support of the laws." -- John Adams

[freeeee]

The restaurants have chosen to go non-smoking provided their is a state wide ban to protect them.

Let's edit that for accuracy:

Some restaurants have chosen to go non-smoking, provided they can also make this decision for their competitors who still cater to the wishes of the marketplace.

[Protagoras]

Now he is talking health regulations. I warned everyone he would try to change the subject. But I must have headed off his real agenda, he hasn't launched his regular screed yet. It must be killing him. LOL

[Just another Joe]

But I must have headed off his real agenda, he hasn't launched his regular screed yet. It must be killing him. LOL

I try to keep everyone on topic.
It's hard sometimes.
I don't know what his agenda is but I'm beginning to suspect.

[Protagoras]

Now taking the liberal bent of denying the purpose of the second amendment. Good stuff to watch here.

"except in private self-defense".

I would be happy to defend my self against you ordering me what to do on my own property. Cowards never come alone though, they send hired thugs.

[Protagoras]

I don't know what his agenda is but I'm beginning to suspect.

LOL,, you new around here pardner?

[Just another Joe]

you new around here pardner?

Not THAT new but I haven't run into Roscoe that much.
I get the feeling he is a regular on the WOD threads. I've stated my opinion on that topic and normally don't mess around much on them.

[Liberal Classic]

I wrote:
What's wrong with letting the restaurtant owner decide if his establishment is to be non-smoking, have a non-smoking section, or allows smoking? Isn't this the free market in action?

To which you replied:
Nothing, I support this. However, NY changed the issue. The restaurants have chosen to go non-smoking provided their is a state wide ban to protect them. Therefore, these private property owners have made their decision and its not favorable to smokers.

I support the decision of any restaurant owner making their business a non-smoking establishment. I do not support the state government making this same decision for all restaurant owners in the state. If the state government steps in and makes law on this subject, then it is not the private property owners who have made their decision -- to the conrtary the state government has made it for them to the exclusion of any other decision the restaurant owner may have made.

A statewide ban on tobacco smoke does not protect non-smoking establishments, it simply makes criminals out of any restaurant owner who allows someone to light a cigarette. This is the free market?

[Protagoras]

Not THAT new but I haven't run into Roscoe that much.

Some people have all the luck

I get the feeling he is a regular on the WOD threads. I've stated my opinion on that topic and normally don't mess around much on them.

He is a regular anywhere people expound the principles of individual rights. He is opposed. He favors the primacy of the state and he abhors freedom loving people.

[InvisibleChurch]

who can say fer sure that the nicotine-nazis can even enforce it

[tpaine]

Good grief, roscoe is on his anti-gun soapbox again!

[Gotta love it when he outs his anti-constitutional agenda like this.]

[headsonpikes]

I'm surprised I made it as far as this post before I responded. There is a possibility, I suppose, that you are a witty Libertarian, hoisting the pig-stupid statists on their own petard.

I reject that possibility because of the inimitable odor of smarmy and priggish 'Whited Sepulcherism', America's leading form of political thought, in your flatly Fascistic posts.

You understand, of course, that you are setting yourself up as the enemy of all Americans interested in maintaining a culture of liberty. That someone such as yourself, no dummy, I'm sure, can actually believe the numbing principles of totalitarian socialist utopianism, is a sad comment on American society and schools.

Frankly, I pity you. But not too much--you will deserve whatever grief comes your way as a result of your bloody-minded authoritarianism.

[headsonpikes]

Still sp[reading the LOOOOOOVe everywhere , I see.

I hope there's a pike just for you, sonny boy.

And I hope it's a dull one. ;^)

Have a utopian aryan day.

[Protagoras]

Good grief, roscoe is on his anti-gun soapbox again!

He seems to have slinked away. He betrayed his real beliefs again.

[tpaine]

It's lunchtime in sunny LA for minor civil 'servants' like roscoe.
I suspect hes telling all the other clerks at the hall of records lunchroom what a buzy morning he's had filing property tax papers.