Torricelli News Conference 5 pm EST LIVE THREAD

[alisasny]

Opine away : )

[MJY1288]

If Menendez has any sense at all he will stay away from this trick box, Any law abiding person would rather walk into a lions cage with a pork chop suit on , than step into this pile of horse hockey

[Political Junkie Too]

Clinton is eligible to serve two more years of an abbreviated term

No, he's not.

Article XXII.

Section 1.

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

-PJ

[marajade]

Well Harkin isn't behind in the polls...

[cmsgop]

A source close to Lautenberg said he would run if asked by Gov. James E. McGreevey, a fellow Democrat

per Washinton Post

[LisaFab]

Love Malzberg though. We are indeed fortunate to be in the home market of WABC. Gotta can Lynn Samuels though.

[Torie]

The Torch resigning or not is an irrelevancy. The Dems will lose their lawsuit to snuff his name off the ballot, and put in yours. Thus his name will remain on the ballot, and someone will wage a write in campaign. Bubba would be best for this job.

[marajade]

How many Dems in NJ can spell "Lautenberg"?

[Senator Pardek]

• The Vice President Richard Cheney
• Speaker of the House John Dennis Hastert
• President pro tempore of the Senate¹ Robert Byrd
• Secretary of State Colin Powell
• Secretary of the Treasury Paul O'Neill
• Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld
• Attorney General John Ashcroft
• Secretary of the Interior Gale A. Norton
• Secretary of Agriculture Ann M. Veneman
• Secretary of Commerce Donald Evans
• Secretary of Labor Elaine Chao
• Secretary of Health and Human Services Tommy G. Thompson
• Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Melquiades Rafael Martinez
• Secretary of Transportation Norman Yoshiro Mineta
• Secretary of Energy Spencer Abraham
• Secretary of Education Roderick Paige
• Secretary of Veterans Affairs Anthony J. Principi

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  Ignore the links - I'm too lazy to fix 'em ;)

[tip of the sword]

The 'Rats are already claiming states rights and Federalism for their cause to explain the skullduggery! I want to vomit now..

[Petronski]

If bubba was named speaker of the house, and the next day the pres and veep died, bubba would become president by succession: the bold quote says 'be elected' but does not cover 'succeed'

[Robert A Cook PE]

"IF he did, then I would think that he was TOLD to do it. A higher up calling shots? If so, who?...

Hillary, of course.

Or the Chinese.

[for-q-clinton]

It's referring to what happens if the senators term is scheduled to continue. For example, if the Torch was NOT up for election this year.

State law can NOT trump federal law (unfortunatley); especially with regards to elections (fortunately). The US Constitution calls for the senate to have 1/3 of its members up for election every 2 years. Not 1/3 minus one memeber and NOT determined by the states.

You're missing one piece of vital info in the law you're reading and that's what the US constitution says on the matter.

Now please post this accurate info on other threads where you see someone saying the same thing as you were. I know it's moving fast, but we must do our part to put this incorrect interpretation out.

[cmsgop]

LOL!

[Timesink]

You are right about the law; the problem (for the RATS) is that said law directly violates the Seventeenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which guarantees the public the right to elect their own Senators. And there is already SCOTUS precedence which says that special elections for Senators must be held on the next available regular election day. That day is November 5, 2002. And somebody is going to be elected Senator from New Jersey on that date.

Basically, the Constitution's pretty clear on this, and the INTENT of the authors of that Amendment is even clearer, so the RATS aren't going to get away with any games, no matter how clever they think they might be.

[tip of the sword]

But Clinton would not be elected Pres. in 2008, he could be elected Vice President with Hillary in the top slot!

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

Actually, he has until October 6th to resign; How would the citizens of New Jersey feel about being told, "Never mind; we're not going to have an election."

So the first move is for Torch to announce that he is bowing out of the race. Now they have until Oct 6 to see if the courts will allow a replacement to be placed on the ballot. Failing that, Torch resigns from the Senate, the dimo Governor appoints Bradley or Laughtenberg (sp?) and schedules a special election for Nov 2003. Is this the game plan? In any event, it seems to me if Torch bows out then Forrester runs unopposed in Nov 2002. If Gov appoints a successor to Torch, then the succcessor completes the Torch's term (i.e. through Dec 2002). I don't see how the Governor can postpone the election for Federal Senator just because Torch bows out and resigns. Sure the suits are digging in.

[LaGrone]

From the posted election laws, I hope I'm wrong, the Rats will go to court to try and have another Dem added to the ballot in place of Torch. The Pubbie lawyers will file suit to prevent this and I believe the Republicans will prevail.

However, by then, we are inside 30days to the election. The Dems charge the Pubbies with preventing a Dem candidate from opposing Forrester (Rep). Then Torricelli resigns from Senate and McGreevy appoints successor who will be a Democrat and an incumbent when the special election or the next regular election in six years.

I literally hate Democrats.

How far fetched am I?

[coder2]

Just curious --- and probably a dumb question...

If there is a write in candidate and the voter mis-spells the name, how would you know who he actually voted for... ???

How does the election process handle write-in's ??? Do the names have to be spelled EXACTLY ???

[for-q-clinton]

Now this Bubba thing just hit me. He does NOT want to be senator, but he will take it just so he can win the election then resign. The RAT gov. will then pick a RAT in his place!!!!!!

I'm not sure if this is what other's were saying, but this may be the plan. SHOCKING!

[tip of the sword]

Bubba could even do it as VP, there is really nothing in the Constitution that prevents it.