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Torricelli News Conference 5 pm EST LIVE THREAD

Posted on 09/30/2002 9:20:19 AM PDT by alisasny

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections; US: New Jersey
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To: Dog
Mara is delusional. Unless he resigns this is a slam-dunk issue for the Pubs.
1,621 posted on 09/30/2002 3:45:29 PM PDT by LisaFab
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To: Dog
THe rat defenders are a funny bunch, it is so hard for them to accept that they are wrong that they will say anything....I hope this story sticks around until the Sunday talk shows....actually, this may stick around until election day.

Doug looked like a real MAN when he spoke to the press before. I hope the voters in NJ get a good look at him today and realize that they are being played for fools.

1,622 posted on 09/30/2002 3:46:01 PM PDT by alisasny
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To: LisaFab
Per Mort Kondracke "The D's are changing the rules in the middle of the game"
1,623 posted on 09/30/2002 3:46:17 PM PDT by NeoCaveman
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To: crasher
The chances of the Dems winning the lawsuit are close to zero. The chances of the Dems winning with a write in with The Torch on the ballot are low, UNLESS it is Bubba. With Bubba, I decline to predict. I think I would give Bubba a distinct edge. Jersey would love having such a high profile flamboyant senator. Whether Bubba would do it is iffy though. But The Torch spent the day on the phone with him trying.
1,624 posted on 09/30/2002 3:46:18 PM PDT by Torie
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To: mwl1
I am more interested in learning whether Daschle supported this Hail Mary play -- because it is not going to help Wellstone, Harkin, or others in jeopardy.

Brit just read a statement by Daschle, sounded supportive.

1,625 posted on 09/30/2002 3:46:29 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: Torie
Agreed. They are merely floating the idea as an alternate route, and that maybe they'll get lucky in the courts with it...
1,626 posted on 09/30/2002 3:46:54 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Capt_Hank
I'm listening to the people respond via talk radio in the Philadelphia area. Even the "Die Hard Dems" are repulsed by his speech.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again for the zillionth time: Come January the RATS will be completely out of power on the federal level for the first time in fifty years. This absolutely seals it for the GOP. The Dems couldn't afford to lose a single seat, much less have one yanked out from under them ahead of time.

It is beautiful return karma for the Carnahan scam, don't you think? It'll be even more beautiful when that inept old biddy loses herself and has to clear out her office the next morning.

1,627 posted on 09/30/2002 3:47:02 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: alisasny
So long, Senator Shitbird.....
1,628 posted on 09/30/2002 3:47:23 PM PDT by clintonh8r
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To: alisasny
I hope the voters in NJ get a good look at him today and realize that they are being played for fools.

They are being played as if they are the African-American lobby. Use them to get elected and then ignore them until the next time.

-PJ

1,629 posted on 09/30/2002 3:47:57 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too
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To: Torie
Recently my hub and I got into a discussion about the frontrunners for President election 2004, the pickings are so bad he predicted they would run Bill Clinton.....could happen and frankly I wouldn't be surpised...
1,630 posted on 09/30/2002 3:48:04 PM PDT by alisasny
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To: LisaFab
"It's easy to to lose to the dead when they are elected by dead voters!"

Good line, and a good thing to remember when dealing with the dims. The stakes are so high, the rewards to those "serving" us so great, that they're going to pull anything they can get away with.

1,631 posted on 09/30/2002 3:48:09 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: Howlin
I don't know first hand what the NJ law says, but if what has been posted here as the NJ law is correct, then it says if a senator resigns within 30 days of the election, then the gov. can cancel the pending election. The appointee sits until the next general election or until a special election, if the gov. calls one.

There would be a legal challenge for sure because although the states have control over the mechanics of an election, I can't believe taking away the electorate's rights for such a period would be upheld.

Now, if Torch did resign and the Gov. appointed a Senator AND set a special election sometime between Nov. 5 and Jan 1 -- well, that might work 'cause you would not be extending the term of the office holder. Whoever won the 'special election' would take the seat at the normal time.

1,632 posted on 09/30/2002 3:48:24 PM PDT by San Jacinto
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To: LisaFab
Right. Legally, they have no way out of this. They will, of course, take this to the court of popular opinion with the usual: "Republicans are denying the votes of the American people, etc..."

Yep. They know that have already lost with Toricelli, and are losing in other key races, and run the risk of losing the Senate and with it the Holy Grail -- Judgeships.

So they gamble that a court will award them a replacement dimo if they can find one (Laughtenberg, Bradley) to "do it for the cause". Or in the least they will have another FLA 2000 issue to inflame the base in November. In the least they end up with a tie or maybe even a majority in the Senate. This is the big game. What a show!

1,633 posted on 09/30/2002 3:48:44 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: Torie
I'll start calling him "Bubba Doc Clinton" if that happens.

-PJ

1,634 posted on 09/30/2002 3:48:51 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too
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To: Timesink
Is it to early to make a toast for 40 years of Republican leadership in the US congress????
1,635 posted on 09/30/2002 3:49:05 PM PDT by alisasny
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To: NYC GOP Chick
Of course it's our fault that he's a crook. A blubbering, sniffling crook, but still a crook.

You should be more forgiving(sob...) of your fellow public officials(another sob) for their 'mistakes'(sobbing some more)....

1,636 posted on 09/30/2002 3:49:06 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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To: dubyaismypresident
Mort's my favorite dem. Glad to see Fred back on the job.

Mara drives me crazy, but as I once rode from DC to NY on an AMTRAk train that was delayed for two hours in Delaware with her and her toddler, I have much more respect for her. :-)

1,637 posted on 09/30/2002 3:49:11 PM PDT by LisaFab
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To: Howlin
Howlin, my friend,

NEVER trust TV news for accurate reporting on a complex subject. Lip gloss, not intelligence, are the criteria for TV news reporting.

The Constitution specifies that every Senator serves only a six-year term. It also specifies the exact day on which Senatorial elections must be conducted. The Constitution is "the supreme Law" as its text says. Therefore:

Nothing in any state law, and nothing done by any state official, can either extend the term of any Senator, or delay or cancel any election to choose a new Senator.

In answer to an earlier question from a Florida FReeper, the Democrats have exactly two tactics in play here. 1) Get the NJ Supreme Court to agree to violate NJ law and let them put in another candidate beyond the deadline, or, 2) somehow blame the Republicans for the fact that they don't get to jam another candidate onto the NJ ballot.

Both tactics should fail miserably.

Congressman Billybob

Click for "Til Death Do Us Part."

Click for "to Restore Trust in America"

Click for "Death as a Political Strategy"

1,638 posted on 09/30/2002 3:49:16 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob
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To: Howlin
Yes he was a Republican (smart man) but here's the NJ statute which spells it out succinctly:

"New Jersey law explicitly provides that when a vacancy occurs among primary nominees, the state committee of a political party committee may select a replacement candidate. N.J. Stat. § 19:13-20. However, this ballot replacement is only allowed when the vacancy occurs more than 51 days prior to the election. Id. Inside of this 51 day statutory window, a replacement candidate can not be put on the ballot. The only exception ever recognized by a New Jersey court was in the case of the death of a nominee. Petition of Koegh-Dwyer, 106 N.J. Super. 567, 256 A.2d 314 (1969), affirmed 54 N.J. 523, 257 A.2d 697. It is worth noting that the time limit was raised from 34 days to 51 days in 1985. Legislative history from the original statute states that time limit was included "to afford election official sufficient time in which to attend mechanics of preparing for general election." Kilmurray v. Gilfert, 10 N.J. 435, 91 A.2d 865 (1952)."

1,639 posted on 09/30/2002 3:49:30 PM PDT by StarFan
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To: Howlin; Torie; spectre; Inspectorette
Fox saying that Bill Clinton has until next Monday to set up residency in NJ and run.

Are you #$&%#$%^#$ SERIOUS? You only have to be a resident thirty days in NJ?

Oh well, it still doesn't matter. They can't appoint anyone else, not even Bubba. All their escape routes end in an overturned decision by the SCOTUS.

1,640 posted on 09/30/2002 3:49:52 PM PDT by Timesink
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