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Dublin tries again to secure 'right' Nice vote (EU = DICTATORSHIP ALERT)
The Daily Telegraph ^ | September 30, 2002 | Philip Johnston

Posted on 09/29/2002 10:24:24 PM PDT by MadIvan

They sound quaintly rustic but nowadays the Irish national ploughing championships are the biggest event in the rural calendar, less a relic of a bygone era than a testament to the generosity of European agriculture subsidies.

Here, among the gleaming tractors and the well-upholstered farmers gathered in the countryside of Co Laois, south of Dublin, Bertie Ahern, Ireland's prime minister, was to be found preaching the virtues of European Union membership to people who should need little convincing.

Yet behind Mr Ahern's genial smile lurked a deep anxiety. On Oct 19, Ireland's voters go to the polls in a re-run of last year's referendum on the Nice Treaty.

Mr Ahern has virtually promised his EU counterparts that the Irish will say "Yes", unlike last time, when they rejected the deal, thus threatening to unravel plans to enlarge the EU in 2004.

The arrogance and presumption of this is astonishing - Ivan

Ten countries, among them Poland, the Czech Republic and Estonia, are waiting to join the club but need Nice - which sets out the rules for a bigger EU - to unlock the door.

All existing 15 members of the union must ratify the treaty and so far 14 - including Britain - have done so through their parliaments. Only the Irish, who are constitutionally obliged to hold a referendum, are standing in the way.

So they are being frogmarched back to the polling booths to reverse the decision they reached just 15 months ago.

This is European democracy, Henry Ford style - you can reach any answer, as long as it is yes. In simply refusing to recognise the outcome of the first referendum, the government makes the point of the No campaigners more eloquently than a thousand speeches.

They argue that the EU is undemocratic, unaccountable and remote and that Nice will make matters worse by reinforcing the power of the big nations at the expense of the small.

The issue is complicated in Ireland by concern for its traditional neutrality, since Nice contains provisions for an EU army.

As in previous EU referendums, the establishment is united behind the Yes campaign.

The main political parties, big business, farming organisations, the trade unions, most of the media and the Roman Catholic Church are all for Nice.

The pressure on the Irish to change their minds is enormous. As one campaign poster puts it, they have a gun pressed to their collective heads.

Dublin is awash with emissaries from the candidate countries who have come to plead their case.

Over the next three weeks the Yes campaign will massively outspend its rivals on media advertising.

By contrast, the No camp is a motley assortment of fringe parties, including the Greens, Sinn Fein, socialists, Marxists and Right-wing eurosceptics.

The Left does not like the economic liberalism of the free market or the power of big business.

The Right objects to the superstate ambitions of Brussels and the prospect of a two-tier Europe, with small countries frozen out.

Neither side is opposed to enlargement of the EU. Indeed, many believe that if there is another No vote a legal loophole will be found to ensure the applicant countries can join.

What could prove to be the key issue in this referendum campaign is the very fact it is taking place at all.

Not for the first time - remember Denmark after Maastricht in 1992 - a small EU nation is being dragooned into overturning its democratically obtained verdict. At least the Danes secured an opt-out from joining the euro before they reversed their No.

The treaty on which the Irish are being asked to think again is unchanged, though some guarantees on neutrality have been given.

Mr Ahern and his supporters hardly bother to justify this force majeure. They rely upon the electorate accepting that there was something wrong with the June 2001 referendum.

Although it produced a clear 54-46 victory for the No side, the turnout was just 35 per cent and this mandate is considered sufficiently unsatisfactory for another to be sought.

On the other hand, nobody for a moment believes that Ireland would be holding a second referendum had the same numbers produced a Yes vote.

A recent poll showed support evenly split between the two camps with a large number of undecided voters. The latter may be swayed by the growing unpopularity of Mr Ahern's coalition government, which was returned to power in May.

Leaked papers suggest that ministers did not tell voters the extent of planned spending cuts during the election campaign and Mr Ahern has been drawn into a corruption scandal surrounding his former Fianna Fail foreign minister, Ray Burke.

Alan Dukes, a former leader of the Fine Gael opposition, says that nothing less than Ireland's future in the EU is at stake on Oct 19.

By a rich irony Ireland is due to hold the rotating presidency of the EU in 2004 when the next 10 countries hope to join under the Nice provisions. Dublin would host the accession ceremony.

"If there is a No vote there will be 10 naked flag-poles and who will be responsible? Us," says Mr Dukes.

The Irish are facing moral blackmail. If they vote No, they are told they will deprive 70 million people of the benefits they have themselves reaped from EU membership, even if the money has now virtually dried up.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: blackmail; eu; ireland; nicetreaty; referendum; vote
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This is truly arrogance on a breathtaking scale from the EU. I certainly hope Ireland votes No again to punch the EU, and Ahern, in the face. This kind of imperial presumption from Brussels should be anathema to the Irish, as it should be to free people anywhere.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 09/29/2002 10:24:24 PM PDT by MadIvan
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2 posted on 09/29/2002 10:24:51 PM PDT by MadIvan
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3 posted on 09/29/2002 10:34:11 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: MadIvan
By contrast, the No camp is a motley assortment of fringe parties, including the Greens, Sinn Fein, socialists, Marxists and Right-wing eurosceptics.

Hmmm. Sounds like a fringe group of nuts. Guess they forgot to add "and the majority of the Irish voting populace, as evidenced by the failure of the referendum to pass a year ago."

BTW, I was in Europe a year ago when this failed the first time and the venom spewed at Ireland over it was amazing. I recall one EU beurocrat on some british channel almost shaking he was so mad, and he basically said "We don't need Ireland, we'll do it anyway!" I see that already the idea that a loophole will be found if Ireland continues to say "Nay".

4 posted on 09/29/2002 10:52:42 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie
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If I were Irish and in Ireland I'd be one of the fringe nuts. I understand that the Irish are pretty angry about this, they really hate this being shoved down their throat.

If indeed they do say No, it will be a victory for democracy. And on top of that, it will deliver a blow to Bertie Ahern, who basically has kept his job through bribing the electorate with their own money, then trying to cover up the fact he's left a 900 million Euro hole in the public finances.

Regards, Ivan

5 posted on 09/29/2002 10:58:55 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
I this is voted down again, and yet another referendum is staged later, a provision should be put in that a refusal will be binding for a given length of time, say ten years.

On the plus side, this second referendum is proof positive that a yes vote need not be considered binding either, and can be reversed a a future time, if the forces of sanity gain enough support.
6 posted on 09/30/2002 12:08:21 AM PDT by Still Thinking
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To: MadIvan
Mr Ahern has virtually promised his EU counterparts that the Irish will say "Yes", unlike last time, when they rejected the deal, thus threatening to unravel plans to enlarge the EU in 2004.

And THIS is the reason I shall vote 'No'...despite being a 'Yes' voter last time out. I will register my protest, I live in a democracy, and I will not allow corrupt politicians in Dublin and Brussels tell me that my countrymen are stupid. Thank you! :-)

7 posted on 09/30/2002 12:15:05 AM PDT by Happygal
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To: Still Thinking
I this is voted down again, and yet another referendum is staged later, a provision should be put in that a refusal will be binding for a given length of time, say ten years.

Ahern has put his neck so much on the line you have to wonder if he'll try stuffing the ballot boxes. In any event, if he loses, that's the end of him.

Regards, Ivan

8 posted on 09/30/2002 1:06:56 AM PDT by MadIvan
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To: Happygal
And THIS is the reason I shall vote 'No'...despite being a 'Yes' voter last time out. I will register my protest, I live in a democracy, and I will not allow corrupt politicians in Dublin and Brussels tell me that my countrymen are stupid. Thank you! :-)

Uh oh, now Ahern is indeed in trouble, it's the Celtic Gleam of Defiance. ;)

Best Regards, Ivan

9 posted on 09/30/2002 1:08:59 AM PDT by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
Celtic Gleam of Defiance?

You betcha!!! told you I was stubborn :-)

10 posted on 09/30/2002 2:30:58 AM PDT by Happygal
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You betcha!!! told you I was stubborn :-)

A highly attractive quality to an Englishman.

wink

Best Regards, Ivan

11 posted on 09/30/2002 2:38:46 AM PDT by MadIvan
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To: Happygal
I will not allow corrupt politicians in Dublin and Brussels tell me that my countrymen are stupid.

They still do it? The last thing I would accuse most Irish of being is stupid. My Irish family are mostly engineers.

We'll be cheering on the old country over here. Don't give in.
12 posted on 09/30/2002 4:55:06 AM PDT by Desdemona
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To: MadIvan
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13 posted on 09/30/2002 5:19:28 AM PDT by RippleFire
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To: Desdemona; MadIvan
Last thing I would accuse most Irish of being is stupid. My Irish family are mostly engineers.

Umm..well, I wouldn't say that too loudly. Haven't you seen the Dilbert cartoons? ;-) (Kidding) As for Politicians believing the masses are stupid...don't they all? Well, they do until the masses rear up and give them the kick in the backside that they so richly deserve. I'm polishing my boots as we speak! :-)

14 posted on 09/30/2002 5:33:06 AM PDT by Happygal
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To: Happygal
Never vote yes on anything involving the EU. They are evil commies. I think the EU could possibly make the Irish nostalgic for Cromwell.
15 posted on 09/30/2002 5:41:58 AM PDT by weikel
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To: Happygal
Dilbert.
16 posted on 09/30/2002 5:44:25 AM PDT by weikel
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To: weikel; MadIvan
I think the EU could possibly make the Irish nostalgic for Cromwell.

Ehh...as much as I dislike Schroeder...I think Cromwell is a bit of a stretch for me! *LOL*

17 posted on 09/30/2002 5:46:48 AM PDT by Happygal
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To: Happygal
Well the new order of Dogbert will sweep them aside anyway. Have you joined Dogbert's ruling class yet or are you one of those "induhviduals" LOL.
18 posted on 09/30/2002 5:50:27 AM PDT by weikel
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To: weikel
*LOL*...I am definitel a dogbert minion..you'll not find me in a cubicle ;-)
19 posted on 09/30/2002 5:52:48 AM PDT by Happygal
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To: Happygal
And no in case you were wondering the EU can't stop Dogbert Dogbert's only real competition is pictured here
20 posted on 09/30/2002 5:53:20 AM PDT by weikel
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