Posted on 09/23/2002 4:11:58 PM PDT by KMC1
What an incredible pile of fresh, steaming self-righteousness.
Jesus accepts the repentence of sinners, not their sin.
If you have to repent of the same sin ten times in a week, then you haven't left the sin or that life behind and started a new life. You are still in it.
All of those Jesus accepted had accepted Jesus as their Lord and put off their sin. The religious world at the time was at fault because they rejected that repentence, not because they rejected the sin.
Wrong..............again!
Pardon me......what label does Amy record with?
Hint:It's secular
And what exactly IS the difference between secular and christian? Was it hipocracy for Martin Luther to take bar songs and write christian lyrics to them? I'm sure the bunch that hangs out here (FR) would have had him drawn and quartered. When God made trees....did He write "Made By God" on the trunks? Is a sinner singing songs about the christian experience worse than a christian singing secular music? King David didn't repent publicly for his incident with Bathsheba, yet God call David "a man after my own heart".
Was it an abomination for Jesus to heal on the sabbath? The law said he couldn't.
You are choking at gnats and swallowing camels.
My point in the start of this rediculous conversation was that 1, it is no ones business how Amy and Vince resolved their indiscretion.
2,You haven't a clue as to how forgiveness works.
3,None of us..........not one is worthy. All of us have sinned and will sin again. Not one of us will see heaven without the mercy and blood of Jesus to cover us. If you, John O, Card Carrying, et al. are perfect then go find yourselves some followers, buy some airtime and go compete with the Jan and Paul Crouch crowd. Make sure you wear your Rolex and big hair. Couch potato christians just eat that stuff up.
I miss Keith Green too.
And they never sinned again or struggled......right?
Do you think when Jesus told the woman caught in adultery to "go and sin no more" that she stopped sinning?
Do you believe in that old saying that "God will never give us more than we can handle".
Let me tell you something, if we could "sin no more" and handle everything that came our way.......why would we need Jesus?
Are you one of those, Once saved always saved types?
You're the one that has all but thrown Amy and Vince out of the church. Look up self-righteousness in the dictionary. It reads, SEE HOPESPRINGETERNAL
The person that I feel bad for, in addition to Gill's first wife, is Gary Chapman. He cleaned up his act, had a solo music career going on, and that primetime country gig, which i think is now over. he opened up for Amy in 1994 when I saw her perform in Pittsburgh, and he sang this song, which I was impressed by both his performance of and the message in:
Sweet Glow Of Mercy
by Gary Chapman I've seen the darkness And it saw me But here in the light Where the dark can't see There is a sweet glow of mercy that covers me Now I am found But once was lost And there in the gutter Where the wheels came off There was a sweet glow of mercy that covered me It picked me up And set me right Brought me day And killed my night Mercy's there at every turn Mercy gives what I can't earn Gonna let that sweet glow of mercy Yeah, that sweet glow of mercy Gonna let that sweet glow of mercy cover me I've been known to run But I can't hide I can't get away From the light inside There is a sweet glow of mercy that covers me I have fun I got fast But when the pull Of this life has passed There will be a sweet glow of mercy that covers me It'll pick me up And set me right Bring me day And kill my night Mercy's there at every turn Mercy gives what I can't earn Gonna let that sweet glow of mercy Yeah, that sweet glow of mercy Gonna let that sweet glow of mercy cover me I'm talking 'bout that sweet glow of mercy See the sweet glow of mercy Gonna let that sweet glow of mercy cover me And if I die before I wake There's no doubt what soul he'll take There would be a sweet glow of mercy Yeah, the sweet glow of mercy There'll be a sweet glow of mercy that covers me There will be a sweet glow of mercy Yeah, a sweet glow of mercy There'll be a sweet glow of mercy that covers me I'm living in the sweet glow of mercy I'm loving that sweet glow of mercy I'm happy in the sweet glow of mercy that covers me I'm laughing in the sweet glow of mercy I'm dancing in the sweet glow of mercy I'm loving this sweet glow of mercy that covers me There's such a sweet glow Such a sweet glow There is a sweet glow of mercy that covers me
Yes, as far as the sin of adultery is concerned.
All the forgiveness in the world is available to Amy and Vince, provided they own up to their sin. Until they acknowledge and repudiate their sin, they carry its guilt and all the consequences of that guilt.
Amy Grant may very well have been right to divorce Gary Chapman (adultery?). But I have never seen anything that legitimizes Vince Gill divorcing his wife.
You seem to think people are rejecting Amy and Vince because they hate Amy and Vince. Exactly the opposite is true. I would love to know that there is some legitimate reason for what they did, and barring that I would love to hear of their repentence.
Love does not rubber stamp sin with a big "OK" just because it is more pleasant for everyone involved. Sometimes love necessitates unpleasantness.
you->Wrong..............again!
As I stated earlier, this is what John Gill and Matthew Henry state in their commentaries. Both have done more bible study than you or I. Since this interpretation is internally consistent with the rest of the word I have to agree with it.
Now, why do you feel the need to revisit an off-topic part of the thread rather than address the points I make on 1 Cor 5? Please show how 1Cor5 can be interpreted differently than I have and still be internally consistent.
GSA(P)
They were both married to other people. They abandoned those people and started cohabitating with each other (they may have been legally married at this point, it's immaterial) while living together they obviously had sex as they have a daughter in common.
In God's eyes they commited adultery the first time they had sex as they are married to other people. God recognizes divorce for adultery (and a case can be made for abandonment and abuse). Since neither Amy or her lover filed for divorce due to their spouses' adultery we have to assume that no adultery on their spouses' part took place. Amy and Gill are living in adultery.
So yes I am sure there was an adulterous relationship there.
GSA(P)
2 Sam 12:1-14. God sends Nathan to David. David was the king . Where would someone go to him? In private or in the throne room. I'd guess in the throne room otherwise David would have had people traipsing through his bedroom constantly. So when David repented in vs 13 it was public.
My point in the start of this rediculous conversation was that 1, it is no ones business how Amy and Vince resolved their indiscretion.
And my point is that since they sinned against all Christians publicly they need to repent publicly. (Again see 2 Sam 12:14 "by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme" (partial quote). There will be a cost to them for their sin)
2,You haven't a clue as to how forgiveness works.
Sure we do. God told us, in brief it goes like this. I repent, God forgives. Pretty simple really.
3,None of us..........not one is worthy. All of us have sinned and will sin again. Not one of us will see heaven without the mercy and blood of Jesus to cover us.
Correct so far. Now how do we get the Blood of Jesus to cover our sins? We repent of them.
If you, John O, Card Carrying, et al. are perfect then go find yourselves some followers,
No one claimed to be perfect, why do you insist on attacking us?
GSA(P)
Actually they chose to leave themselves by not repenting of their sin. If we are going to claim to follow Christ then we had better also follow what His word tells us to do.
GSA(P)
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