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Schroeder faces more US anger (HOLD MEIN BIER ALERT, PART 2)
BBC News ^ | September 23, 2002 | BBC News

Posted on 09/23/2002 3:40:06 PM PDT by MadIvan

German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder has faced renewed criticism from the United States as he began his second term in office.

US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld criticised the way Mr Schroeder's re-election campaign was fought, saying it had poisoned relations between Washington and Berlin.

And how. Who does Schroeder think is going to invest in his country now? The Iraqis? Cue laughter. - Ivan

BBC Washington correspondent Nick Bryant says George Bush has so far failed to telephone the German chancellor to offer congratulations and Mr Rumsfeld pointedly refused to meet his German counterpart at a Nato meeting in Warsaw.

Oh dear, say "Gute Nacht", Gerhard - Ivan

Throughout the campaign Mr Schroeder voiced emphatic opposition to war with Iraq.

His Justice Minister Herta Daeubler-Gmelin is also alleged to have compared President Bush's political tactics with those of Adolf Hitler. Ms Daeubler-Gmelin denies making the comparison.

In spite of the fact a room full of people heard differently. These socialists are really stupid and arrogant in equal measure. - Ivan

Mr Schroeder's Red-Green coalition won a razor-thin majority on Sunday night and has now announced that Ms Daeubler-Gmelin will not be included in his new Cabinet.

'Good friends'

The BBC's William Horsley in Berlin says that in addition to repairing their international relations the new government needs to tackle severe economic problems, including high unemployment and low growth.

Apparently unruffled by the rift between Germany and America Mr Schroeder said the two countries remained good friends.

Truly a "Hold Mein Bier" moment - Ivan

But he said that his views on the question of Iraq were different from the Americans, and that it must be possible for friends to discuss differences openly.

Mr Schroeder had ruled out German participation in any military action against Iraq.

"I think this difference of opinion will remain," Mr Schroeder said. "We will have it out in a fair and open way without in any way endangering the basis of German-American relations. That is my firm intention."

Too late. Far too late. - Ivan

Repairing rift

But Mr Schroeder's overtures received a cool response from the Bush administration.

"I have no comment on the German elections outcome, but I would have to say that the way it was conducted was notably unhelpful," Mr Rumsfeld said at a Nato meeting in Warsaw.

"And as the White House indicated, has had the effect of poisoning the relationship," he added.

Got to love that Rummy. Anyway, it was the lovely and gracious Condi who came up with the line about the relationship being poisoned - Ivan

Correspondents say that the key figure in repairing the rift will be German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer.

Who as a Green, is a far left pinko subversive. Good luck. - Ivan

He was more cautious in his language about the US than Mr Schroeder, taking care in his campaign speeches to praise the US as a partner and friend before stating Germany's opposition to war with Iraq.

Reduced margin

The election turnout was 79.1%, and the results will not be considered final until they are certified in about two weeks' time.

Preliminary official results give Mr Schroeder's Social Democrats (SPD) and the Greens 306 seats in the parliament or Bundestag against 295 for the CDU/CSU led by Edmund Stoiber in alliance with the liberal Free Democrats (FDP).

With former Communists taking two seats, that would give Mr Schroeder an overall majority of nine in the new parliament from 21 in the last election.

The chancellor acknowledged that his party's loss of voter support compared with 1998 - 38.5% now, 40.9% of the vote then - was "very painful".


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: disaster; fischer; germany; greens; schroeder; spd
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I would just add, "In terms of pain, Gerhard, you 'ain't seen nothing yet'".

Anyone want to buy a BMW or a Krups coffee machine now?

Didn't think so.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 09/23/2002 3:40:06 PM PDT by MadIvan
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Bump!
2 posted on 09/23/2002 3:40:36 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
Gerhardt we are not friends, we just tolerate you.
3 posted on 09/23/2002 3:42:26 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: MadIvan
Thanks for the post.

I have no comment on the German elections outcome, but I would have to say that the way it was conducted was notably unhelpful, and as the White House indicated, has had the effect of poisoning the relationship.

Remarkably direct criticism, even for Rumsfeld...

4 posted on 09/23/2002 3:44:04 PM PDT by Interesting Times
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To: MadIvan
Cancelling Octoberfest plans.
5 posted on 09/23/2002 3:44:18 PM PDT by My2Cents
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To: MadIvan
Hey there Schroeder, your best friend is trying to confront a dangerous, dangerous man who threatens the lives of those dear to him. What'd you do? You sucker punched him in the face and then spat on him. Go find some other friends Schroeder, if you can. But you won't find any as good as he was.
6 posted on 09/23/2002 3:49:13 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: MadIvan
No more Beck's in this household. Or any other German beer. Or product. And if I see any vacationing down here in Florida, I'll remind them that they are not welcome here. If they want to vote for scum like that, then they can take their sorry *** back to the Fatherland. And they can march around in the socialist bundts, and they can bite me. I've had enough of our "friends" talking about us like this. Let's pull our bases out and give the revenue to a nation that's been loyal to us. Like Turkey. I say the hell with the EU socialists. And especially the hell with Germany.
7 posted on 09/23/2002 3:50:01 PM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: Nuke'm Glowing
I'm burning my Scorpions records as we speak.
8 posted on 09/23/2002 3:50:56 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Nuke'm Glowing
Let's pull our bases out and give the revenue to a nation that's been loyal to us. Like Turkey.

Or Britain. ;)

Regards, Ivan

9 posted on 09/23/2002 3:51:00 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
Today, Frau Gmelin, Schroder's feminazi cabinet minister who needs to buy a vowel, has further put her foot into her kopf by stating that if there had been certain insider trading laws in place some years ago, President Bush would have gone to prison.

Leni

10 posted on 09/23/2002 3:51:18 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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Today, Frau Gmelin, Schroder's feminazi cabinet minister who needs to buy a vowel, has further put her foot into her kopf by stating that if there had been certain insider trading laws in place some years ago, President Bush would have gone to prison.

I never thought I'd see the Germans lose their instinct for self preservation so badly. This is the most insane thing they've done since attacking Russia in 1941.

Regards, Ivan

11 posted on 09/23/2002 3:52:32 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
'Good friends'

Good friends don't insult good friends for political gain.

12 posted on 09/23/2002 4:00:18 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr
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To: MadIvan
Dossier on Frau Gmelin...


13 posted on 09/23/2002 4:01:43 PM PDT by IowaHawk
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To: MadIvan
It's time to pull our military bases from Germany. Russia can keep an eye on any growing militarism in Germany, now that we don't need to keep an eye on Russia. Maybe we should turn our bases over to Russia. The Germans would love that.
14 posted on 09/23/2002 4:02:21 PM PDT by Eva
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To: IowaHawk
I thought one of her aliases was Frau Blucher.

Hearing distant horse whinnying

Regards, Ivan

15 posted on 09/23/2002 4:03:07 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan

Ve haff ways uff comparing you to Hitler, Amerikanische dumkopfs!

16 posted on 09/23/2002 4:06:54 PM PDT by IowaHawk
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To: IowaHawk
LOL, Long time no see IowaHawk. Hope all is well with you
17 posted on 09/23/2002 4:07:28 PM PDT by MJY1288
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To: dfwgator
I'm burning my Scorpions records as we speak.

rotfl

18 posted on 09/23/2002 4:07:58 PM PDT by montag813
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To: MadIvan
So what is Shroeder going to do when we fly over Germany?

I can't believe we WON'T!
19 posted on 09/23/2002 4:08:00 PM PDT by justshe
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To: IowaHawk
Ah, but Rosa Kleb was Russian. And they are better allies than the Germans. ;)

Regards, Ivan

20 posted on 09/23/2002 4:09:50 PM PDT by MadIvan
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