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Women Sought in Videotaped Beating
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Posted on 09/20/2002 11:02:55 AM PDT by Texaggie79

MISHAWAKA, Ind. (AP) - A woman who was angry after leaving a department store was caught on a surveillance tape looking around as she helped her young daughter into a vehicle and then brutally beating the child for about half a minute, authorities said.

Police were searching for the woman and 4-year-old child Friday. The woman's sister, who had been with her in the store, was arrested, said community prosecutor Maggie Jones.

"As far as we know, she tried to exchange some merchandise, was denied that, became angry in the store at the service clerk and left. But I don't know how that could provoke an attack like this on a child," Mishawaka Police Chief Anthony Hazen said Friday on NBC's "Today" show.

The woman could be seen on the tape punching the child and shaking her, and authorities believe the little girl might have serious injuries. A doctor who saw the tape said she could have suffered head, neck and brain injuries, said Mike Samp, a police investigator.

Authorities identified the 25-year-old woman as Madelyne Gorman or Madelyne Toogood and the child as her daughter Martha Toogood.

Hazen said the woman is believed to be from the Dallas area and has a history of misdemeanor charges. He did not elaborate.

"We've spoke with several members of the family; they are not being cooperative right now. They said they disagree with the actions but they don't know where she's at," he said.

Hazen said the sister faces charges of failing to report child abuse, and the child's mother could face felony battery charges in the Sept. 13 beating.

"You can see the woman grab one of the girl's pony tails and forcefully shake her. That right there, not even counting all the blows that we saw the woman make, that right there constitutes battery," Jones told CNN.

The videotape shows the woman and girl walking to a sport utility vehicle along with a boy and the woman's sister.

The two women had tried to return merchandise at a Kohl's department store in Mishawaka, just east of South Bend near the Michigan border, but were refused, police said.

The tape shows the woman placing the girl in the vehicle's back seat and then striking her about the head. The woman also appears to shake, slap and punch the child before getting in the front seat and driving off.

The vehicle shown in the video had Texas license plates, and police eventually found it at a Mishawaka apartment complex. Police said it was not registered to either of the women shown on the tape.


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KEYWORDS: childabuse
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To: HairOfTheDog
Why is she beating the seat if you don't see rage? - I agree it isn't in her face, but it is in her actions isn't it?

Maybe she is killing a wasp, or several yellow jackets that homed in on spilled juice or something. I didn't see actual contact with the child on the video, but i was looking at in on a 2" window on the computer. But if other's don't see contact and the child shows no injury (big if) then that may be a possible explanation.

341 posted on 09/20/2002 5:21:59 PM PDT by TN4Liberty
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To: Ramius
Just saw on CNN that mom is going to turn herself in tomorrow -- hopefully the kid is okay and will be checked out at a hospital (alltho' after a week, most of the bruises will be healing)
342 posted on 09/20/2002 5:23:11 PM PDT by twyn1
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To: dsutah
I hope for the sake of this child, and the mother,(if she didn't beat her)that it is entirely an innocent situation.

Ditto.

And if the kid IS hurt-- put her away, but I'm not thinking that this'll play out that way. Call it a hunch.

343 posted on 09/20/2002 5:25:01 PM PDT by Ramius
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To: Ramius
OK - I guess we will see tomorrow if she turns herself in.
344 posted on 09/20/2002 5:29:17 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Billy_bob_bob
I wish to God someone had called the cops when that was being done to me some thirty-five years ago

I'm so sorry for the child you were then and I sincerely hope you're enjoying the best sort of life now. One song that broke my heart several years ago when I first heard it was this one by Susan Vega:

My name is Luka, I live on the second floor
I live upstairs from you, Yes I think you've seen me before
If you hear something late at night, Some kind of trouble, some kind of fight
Just don't ask me what it was ( x3 )

Maybe it's because I'm clumsy, I try not to talk too loud
Maybe it's because I'm crazy, I try not to act too proud
They only hit until you cry, And after that you don't ask why
You just don't argue anymore ( x3 )

Yes, I think I'm okay, Walked into the door again
If you ask that's what I'll say, And it's not your business anyway
I guess I'd like to be alone, With nothing broken, nothing thrown
Just don't ask me how I am ( x3 )

My name is Luka, I live on the second floor
I live upstairs from you, Yes I think you've seen me before
If you hear something late at night, Some kind of trouble, some kind of fight
Just don't ask me what it was ( x3 )

And they only hit until you cry
And after that you don't ask why
You just don't argue anymore ( x3 )

I hear parents say the worst things to their kids in public places...and when I see parents behaving harshly to their kids, I often tell them what a beautiful child they have and ask questions like "how old is he/she?" Sometimes my attention distracts the child from whatever they were doing and gives the parent a moment to remember how precious their kids are. Sometimes just knowing that someone is noticing their child and their own behavior reminds the parents to think about what they are doing.

345 posted on 09/20/2002 5:38:49 PM PDT by lsee
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To: VaBthang4

And she's damn lucky I wasn't in that parking lot because she would've gotten the beat down of her life.
My feelings and emotions exactly! Hopefully the prison, she will probably not have to go to, has seen this and all inmates are awaiting her arrival..:)

346 posted on 09/20/2002 5:38:51 PM PDT by md2576
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To: HairOfTheDog
Yup.

Here's a question: If we're all wrong here do we owe her anything? Or-- can we just splash people's names and photos all over the country with slanderous accusations any time we feel like it because of a bad camera angle and bad light?

Let me be perfectly clear: I'm completely willing to believe that she beat the child, and if so, that she should pay dearly for that and the child be put in another home.

But I'm also getting pretty sick of some of the attitudes I'm seeing: Guilty until proven innocent. Journalists hyping local news up into national feeding frenzies. Sloppy reporting that leads people to wrong conclusions that are never retracted.

Oh well. We'll see.
347 posted on 09/20/2002 5:41:32 PM PDT by Ramius
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To: Ramius
It just saw it on my big TV... There isn't any question but that the mother hurredly grabs the child as she is hopping up, not expecting a thing, and pummels the heck out of her. It is a lot clearer on TV than it is online.
348 posted on 09/20/2002 5:43:37 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: cactusSharp

TxAggie...I'm with you so far....I need to see more
that tape was deceiving to me SO FAR

You must be a case worker for the local child and welfare office you moronic blind baboon!

349 posted on 09/20/2002 5:44:17 PM PDT by md2576
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To: Ramius
I agree that it never should have been national news, and that as a society we should not be forced to grieve every local tragedy. And FR is particularly good at forming conclusions with no evidence and then arguing them to the death! - That is our luxury here! - And I agree, we should be careful.

I suspect that we don't owe her an apology. This happened a week ago. They found her family and the car within a day or two and she has been hiding ever since. I don't have a hunch she is innocent. If she is, we shall talk about what she is owed.
350 posted on 09/20/2002 5:47:40 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: md2576
". . . you moronic blind baboon!"

Great comment for a thread about violence.

351 posted on 09/20/2002 5:50:46 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Texaggie79

Watch the kids legs at the end. Not very typical of a just beaten kid.

You must beat children on regular basis to question that that was abuse and know what a typical kid looks like after being beaten up. Even if everyone else was a stupid as you and thought this was some kind of dramatic play then maybe someone could explain why she hit that girl over 20 times. Not to mention the fact that that video shown cuts out the part where she puts the bag in the truck and continues the blows to her child's face and then shakes her more violently then I have ever seen someone attacked before. It is a disgusting site which I am glad they have decided to cut at the end of the video.

352 posted on 09/20/2002 5:56:28 PM PDT by md2576
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To: glory
You know, I think you have a point on the honing in on someone. I have been very careful about how and with whom we discuss homeschooling for just the reasons you have mentioned in this post.

I once questioned global warming in a forum. One of the members, who knew nothing else of me, posted: "That's crazy! You know, I have this sneaking strong suspicion that you're some kind of right-wing Christian fundie militia nut!"

353 posted on 09/20/2002 5:58:42 PM PDT by Commie Basher
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To: Texaggie79
There is the page with the video. Watch the kids legs at the end. Not very typical of a just beaten kid.

Well I wouldn't know what the reaction to a BEATEN KID is because although mine have been spanked, they have never been beaten like this. Nor have I ever witnessed anything like this. If I did I would surely be the one to go and investigate what the hell is going on.

Thanks for letting us know what their reaction would not be like!

354 posted on 09/20/2002 6:02:23 PM PDT by GUIDO
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To: GUIDO
You're welcome. :)
355 posted on 09/20/2002 6:17:35 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: All
Fox News blurb...awaiting news conference of this topic.
356 posted on 09/20/2002 6:17:38 PM PDT by Conservababe
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To: md2576; HairOfTheDog
Hey... way to keep it impersonal and on topic there, sport. You're blowing your top and so now it's us that are beating our kids?

You must be lots of fun at parties. :-)
357 posted on 09/20/2002 6:27:26 PM PDT by Ramius
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To: Ramius
I agree, someone needs to take a deep breath, maybe a walk outside....
358 posted on 09/20/2002 6:30:21 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Ramius
Your right! I'm green and did not mean to attack anyone personally. My apologies.
359 posted on 09/20/2002 6:31:46 PM PDT by md2576
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To: Paul Atreides
I'd be overcome with emotion and kick her ass to downtown and back.

I'm trying to be objective here and I did not see her striking the child.

It may be the fault of the video or my perceptions, but if I was on a jury and this was the sole evidence, I'd vote to acquit.

If a child shows up battered, all bets are off.
360 posted on 09/20/2002 6:32:33 PM PDT by TC Rider
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