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Failing the Test Of September 11
The Wall Street Journal (Subscription Only) ^ | 16 September 2002 | Mark Helprin

Posted on 09/16/2002 1:13:31 PM PDT by SBeck

Edited on 04/22/2004 11:47:07 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Last Wednesday, the president was everywhere. But on the anniversary of Pearl Harbor, FDR worked quietly in the White House as America battled Japan on Guadalcanal, U-boats on the Atlantic, and Rommel in Tunisia. In the previous 365 days we had quadrupled defense spending and military production, doubled military manpower, turned the Battle of the Atlantic, invaded North Africa in history's then largest amphibious assault, begun the Burma Road, engaged Hirohito's air force, bombed Tokyo, checked the expansion of the Japanese Empire, and triumphed at Midway and in the Coral Sea.


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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: bush; middleeast; toughquestions; war
These are the tough questions that need to be asked. Bush talks a great game in the locker room, but when it comes to lacing it up he reverts to his cheerleader origins. Kudos to Helprin. Engaged discussion welcome, puerile comments will be ignored.

Fire away.

1 posted on 09/16/2002 1:13:31 PM PDT by SBeck
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To: SBeck
World War II and the war on terror are two exceedingly diiferent situations. This article is unaldulterated garbage, not to mention being nonsense..
2 posted on 09/16/2002 1:20:59 PM PDT by fortcollins
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To: SBeck
There has been too much talk and too little action.
3 posted on 09/16/2002 1:23:11 PM PDT by LarryM
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To: LarryM
bump
4 posted on 09/16/2002 1:24:44 PM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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To: SBeck
You cannot lead a nation in war unless you are willing to strike the enemy at his heart.

That's all well and good when the enemy is in one place. Al Queda is EVERYWHERE, and it will take a while before many of their leaders can be brought to justice. The arrest over the weekend of one of the planners of 9/11 is proof that the US is not sitting on its hands waiting for the bad guys to do something again so we can catch theme in the act. There is a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes about which the public does not know, nor should it!

If I remember right, Mark Helprin was a major apologist for x42. That helps me to put his attitude into perspective.

5 posted on 09/16/2002 1:25:42 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
Helprin despised Clinton. Perhaps you are confusing him with someone else. When he states we have to strike the enemy at its heart, he is referring to radical Islam, not specifically Al Quaeda. Part of his critique is that Bush refuses to identify radical Islam as our enemy. How can you fight a war if you are too afraid to even identify the enemy?
6 posted on 09/16/2002 1:29:36 PM PDT by LarryM
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To: SBeck
When you consider the (very many) differences between this war and WWII, the comparisons drawn by the author are (more than) a little lame. Some of the statements and assumptions, such as the crux of the problem is the provision of air support without localized basing also suggests some detachment from reality.
7 posted on 09/16/2002 1:32:08 PM PDT by pt17
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To: SBeck
From another thread - same article -

To: Taliesan

A little bit on Mark Helprin: Raised on the Hudson and in the British West Indies, Helprin holds degrees from Harvard College and Harvard's Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, and did postgraduate work at the University of Oxford. He served in the British Merchant Navy, the Israeli infantry, and the Israeli Air Force.



4 posted on 9/16/02 8:24 AM Pacific by hflynn
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8 posted on 09/16/2002 1:36:39 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: SBeck
No army should ever go into battle with even the thought that the enemy will fight for rather than against it.

As in Afghanistan?

And to commit an expeditionary force of this size, at such a distance, in the face of rapidly forming Arab unity, with the possibility of enforced denial of overflight; the closure of Suez; and the naval, air, and ground-force participation of Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, and Egypt;

Too late, Mr. Helprin: those obstacles are evaporating as we speak.

plus the certainty of stressed and inadequate U.S. support because of the uncorrected degradation of our forces, would be the imprudent gift to Saddam of a chance he would not have were we to move in strength.

When will this "degradation" be corrected: a year, two years? Does Helprin assume we can wait that long? If Saddam gets nuclear weapons, the condition of our forces will be irrelevant.

I thought Helprin had some good points in earlier articles (he is a great writer)-- but his continued obsession with massive military buildup/spending is getting a bit thin, and Scott Ritterish, considering the threat we are facing.

9 posted on 09/16/2002 1:39:19 PM PDT by browardchad
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To: SuziQ
"That's all well and good when the enemy is in one place."

Last time I looked Baghdad hadn't moved.

Bush II is a good president. I'm glad it's him in the White House not Al Gore. However, Bush II is not what we need right now. What we need is Reagan II.


10 posted on 09/16/2002 1:40:19 PM PDT by sinclair
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To: SBeck
You cannot lead a nation in war unless you are willing to put the nation on a war footing. The last and only war that we thought we could win without full commitment was the war in Vietnam, which we lost. Strategically, we were forced to half measures by the existence of great and proximate powers -- Russia and China -- who backed the enemy. No such backers stand behind the enemy now. During Vietnam, we committed the economy to the provision of all that American forces might need. Now they must fight on the cheap, and part of the reason they have not been active is that their echelons, equipment, readiness, and reserves are inadequate to many of the tasks the public has been led to believe they can accomplish effortlessly.

Though the president campaigned to restore the military, he has not. His first defense budget represented virtually no change; the second -- after Sept. 11 -- a minuscule increase; and the third, though much trumpeted, a wholly insufficient one. In the peacetime years of the latter half of the 20th century, the U.S. annually spent an average of 5.7% of GNP on defense; in wartime, 13.3%. Less the purely operational costs of the "war," the president's third budget is 3.1% of GDP. The Clinton administration directed a larger share of America's resources to defense even as it severely degraded the military of which President Bush is supposedly the savior.

I'm glad some reporters are finally spelling it out. Indeed Bush is not an active and ready to roll pro-military POTUS. He is a carbon copy of his dads administration's failed policies if he does not alter course.

If you are going to war no matter what you first prepare the nation and the military. That means a build up. NOT A CALL UP OF RESERVES TO FILL VACANT ACTIVE DUTY POSITIONS BEFORE YOU EVEN GET STARTED. We as a nation are thanks to Bush SR, Clinton, & Bush JR far too reserve dependent. That continuing policy is going to catch us in a bad way if not changed.

Has GW Bush yet to address such issues as over extension and over deployments policies that his dad and Richard Cheney put into action? The over deployments and over extensions are a direct result of the defunding and reduction put in place as National Defense Policy by GHW Bush, Bill Clinton, and now G.W. Bush as well follows this ill fated policy.

12 posted on 09/16/2002 1:48:41 PM PDT by cva66snipe
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To: browardchad
Too late, Mr. Helprin: those obstacles are evaporating as we speak.

As Helprin eloquently pointed out, words and chatter only. What we need is a true alliance, as in WWII; what we need is to decisively mark the enemy and engage, as in WWII; and what we need is a national gut and spine check.

13 posted on 09/16/2002 1:49:42 PM PDT by SBeck
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To: LarryM
Helprin despised Clinton. Perhaps you are confusing him with someone else

My bad; it was my conservative knee jerking! But my argument still stands. I just looked up some other articles by him and he has the same argument; Bush is going after the wrong folks. I don't think we know WHO Bush is going after at this point, and that's a good thing. It keeps the objects of the hunt in the dark. But at the same time, I think the Bush Administration is planning to go after the countries that are sponsoring the terrorism. He can't go in until he had his duckies in a row, and it takes a lot of time for that to happen.

It is easy for journalists to snipe, but I do believe there is a lot going on of which we are unaware.

14 posted on 09/16/2002 1:50:53 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SBeck
Sadly, GWB is to the War on Terror what Ken Starr was to law; overwhelmed, indecisive and widely credited by his partisans with fiendish subtlety for his inaction.
15 posted on 09/16/2002 1:52:50 PM PDT by Grut
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To: LarryM
I agree,

Patton: A good solution applied with vigor now is better than a perfect solution applied ten minutes later.

16 posted on 09/16/2002 1:53:39 PM PDT by Theophilus
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To: sinclair
Halprin is a great writer and I thought he was awsome during Clintoon's reign. He's got some good points, but to compare this to WW II is a stretch. In many ways this is more complicated in terms of having to combine law enforcement finesse and military hammer blows in one world wide operation.

cooperation with foreign internal security apperatus is a must. That will not be accomplished in most cases by throwing our weight around indiscriminately.

This is about patience and planning and then pouncing.

The writer's most salient point is about the lack of public involovement in the struggle. There seems to be disconnect between what we, as citizens, are being asked to do....which is go shopping.

17 posted on 09/16/2002 1:58:23 PM PDT by zarf
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To: zarf
He's got some good points, but to compare this to WW II is a stretch.

Not really. It could quickly become a WW3. We are not building up for that senerio or others such as we attack Iraq and the entire Middle East joins the fight, we attack Iraq and North Korea attacks South Korea, we attack Iraq and China goes for Tiawan. This is what disturbs me about Bush military planning. There seems to be none beyond being far too reserve and alliance dependent. Eventually that policy will be tested by our enemies. The best measure that can be taken to prevent this is substaining a strong active duty force which can take the abuses both equipment and troop wise of these ever increasing extended deployments. The number one function of Government is providing for defense. Our military is indeed showing the wear from 13.5 years of neglect.

18 posted on 09/16/2002 2:07:07 PM PDT by cva66snipe
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To: Grut
You know I never made the connection before but you're right. Like Judge Starr, I think Bush is a fundamentally decent man, but I don't think he's ruthless enough (though to Bush's credit, I don't imagine him trying to quit halfway through and go teach at Pepperdine).

He should have been tougher on immigration, on border security, ethnic profiling and rebuilding the military-- by mobilizing the reserves and restoring the draft if necessary. As a general rule of thumb that both Starr and Bush could have profited from, you know you're doing your job when the liberals are marching in the streets against you.

The points that Helprin made are quite true. Indeed, the very point about the "Black Hawk Down" operation that we conservatives beat up Clintigula about is being repeated:

The military asks for the tools to do the job assigned to it, and Washington turns it down. In Somalia, it was Les Aspin turning down the requests for more armor and air support, here it is Bush rejecting a 250,000 man invasion force in favor a 50,00 man force.

I guess we'll all see how this plays out and I do truly hope that I'm wrong about Bush.
19 posted on 09/16/2002 2:30:43 PM PDT by Maximum Leader
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