Democrats Push to Slow Vote on U.S. Force in Iraq

Reuters via NYTimes.com ^ | 9/13/02

[cactusSharp]

I saw Byrd on the senate floor today bellowing
It was pure blovation. He was some pizzed because
no Senator would take a seat so he could give
a speech. Rules say at least one Senator must be
seated and he was stompin rocks flat pizzed no one
would take a seat....Hillary popped in for a colloque
as well, Reid from Nevada, but they too hauled
agenda. Blowhard Byrd still yammered about who
and how long he was/is. Here is a biscuit for
all.....Byrd called Dubya a priveledged BRAT

[Scott from the Left Coast]

``This senator is not, now or ever, going to be stampeded. Has to be voted on before the election? Forget it,'' Byrd, a master of the Senate's rules and procedures, said.

So why, Senator Byrd, is there a very large hoof sticking out of your butt?

[PhilDragoo]

DEMOCRATS FLIP BYRD TO NATIONAL SECURITY INSURING REPUBLICAN SENATE IN 2003

A Pyrrhic victory.

A victory gained at too great a cost: like that of the Greek leader Pyrrhus over the Romans in 279BC.

[kcvl]

lol!

[goldstategop]

The Rats are hoist on their own petard. They were the ones who demanded a debate and a vote. Now they want to wait til after the election so they don't have to go on the record and tell voters if they stand with the President. The President should keep pressuring them to give their blessings or he will act on the basis of existing congressional approval. Its high time Robert Turd and Tommy Daschund made up their minds since we can't be hand-cuffed to an election schedule in protecting our country. To the Rats its all about politics but to our President its about making sure another 9-11 never happens again. Simply put, its put up or shut up time for the Democrats and they have to decide NOW if they want to be on the right side of history.

[FreedomFriend]

and you support the UN?

[Utah Girl]

Nope, not any more I don't. Haven't for years. And their stupid resolutions are a big reason why. That along with their elitism (eating lobster and caviar at a conference on world hunger), they are absolutely out of touch with reality.

[FreedomFriend]

My point was that you talk of Iraq breaking UN resolutions, as though that is a reason to attack Iraq. Thus, you're giving legitimacy to the UN through their treaties.

I'm against an Iraq attack, as I haven't seen the evidence that Iraq is developing Weapons of Mass Destruction. Don't you think that if there were evidence, the government would have those images or statments all over television. All this time and no clear evidence, talks of deadlines that evidence will be shown? Come on, something is not right.

I'm hearing talks of nukes and attacking Baghdad. What about the innocent people, men, women and children, who will be killed. That's wrong. I don't care if the U.S. is saying that it's okay. I do not see the evidence, and I'm suspicious of the whole thing.

[Utah Girl]

I'm going to bed right now, let me sleep on my answer back to you.

[A CA Guy]

They'll be getting a slow boat out of town with the vote going against them.

[nopardons]

" Innocent " men, women, and children get killed in wars. Does that mean that we should just roll over and play dead, instead of attacking anyone, at any time, even when, as in the 9/11 attacks, here, we have nbeen attacked ?

Would you also have been against attacking Germany,say, in 1940, when we knew what was going on there ?

[FreedomFriend]

Hitler was a war monger. He was a threat to all of Europe. He manipulated his people to get behind the war movement through the bombing of the Reichstag. He blamed it on the Communists, then incrementally and gradually started taking over every facet of the government. Hey, they even had "Fatherland Security" to protect the people from the "enemy". Later, the Jews were rounded up into concentration camps, as well as Christians and anyone who didn't go along with the Fatherland's program of "destiny".

Thankfully, that warmonger was put to rest. However, do you see any connections from above to today's present situation?

[nopardons]

Yes, I do and wonder why you don't.

Saddam moved on Kewait, gassed his own ( but different ethic group ) Kurds, gassed and bioterrorized those of another Muslim sect, put a " hit " on his own son ( it didn't kill him; failed attempt ... just paralized him ), aides and abets al Qaeda members, rules ( if you care to call it that ) with an iron fist, kills anyone he even imagines is his enemy, has set up a cult of person, like Hitler, he looks back in history, and makes that his country's focus, holds the same kind of spectales as the Nazis and Hitler did, has " secret police squads ", manipulates his people ( jails, tortures, and / or kills them, if they don't act as he wants them to ), threatens our safety and the rest of the world's as well. I could go on ; however, maybe you should really do the scut work and find out for yourself. The similarities are there; you just don't know enough about them. :-)

[FreedomFriend]

You didn't look at the similarities that I was mentioning.

Hey, I don't think that Saddam is a good guy, but where is the evidence that the administration is claiming that he has?

[nopardons]

It was there, when Clinton was president and he, like you , ignored it.

[Nick Danger]

``No convincing case has been made in the press or in this body that we must act to give the president authority to invade a sovereign body now, or before the election,'' Byrd said.

Senator Byrd had better hope that his 'convincing case' does not happen before the election. If Saddam gets one off while these guys are wringing their hands -- and while Bush is urging them to act fast -- they will have killed thousands of Americans with their big mouths.

[dsutah]

The only problem is, is that these individuals in the Senate that are being balky about this; don't seem to be afraid of most of the American people. Someone, somewhere is bolstering them up and supporting them, and they are sticking to their belligerent attitude no matter what happens. Just why they are, is a mystery. But one thing is apparent, they are not afraid of the American people, or they are plumb crazy!

[ClancyJ]

What worries me is Saddam knows we are coming after him. In his position, he might think - "well, maybe I ought to get off my best shot at them BEFORE they get over here with the guns.

The congress is playing a really risky game when they delay getting this done.

[ClancyJ]

Maybe you should have seen On the Record with Greta tonight. A woman who had been involved in the attempted coup in Iraq in the 90's was on there. She is now out of Iraq and talked about how he treated his own people.

She advised she saw the prisons and the equipment there that was used for torture of prisoners. One item was some kind of meat grinder (large size for humans). She mentioned something about the acid vats he used to get rid of the bodies - or for torture.

She also said that citizens are killed weekly. They will kill all the prisoners in jail to make room for the next week's prisoners. People are accused at random, tortured, raped and killed.

When asked what about the citizens if we did go to war - she stated "they are being killed now." She had family there and still wanted Saddam taken out even with the risks.

Also indicated that Saddam allowed his people to starve while he used the money from oil for building his palaces. That the inspectors did not find his weapons and that he would hide them - even in his palace if he had to. There were many ways he hid them.

[seeker41]

I saw that program, the woman said the people would be happy to be rid of saddam. She also said that he kills prisoners 3 days a week, 50 to 100 at a time. About the meat grinder thing, I had this horrible thought that maybe this "meat" is sold to the people in the market. I know it's gross, but saddam is a sick pervert.