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Florida vote goes from chad to worse - Glitches bedevil new system; Reno trails
Associated Press ^ | September 12, 2002 | Associated Press Staff

Posted on 09/12/2002 3:31:32 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP


Florida vote goes from chad to worse

Glitches bedevil new system; Reno trails in Democratic primary

09/12/2002

Associated Press

MIAMI - Despite a $32 million renovation, Florida's new election system crashed in an embarrassment that, like the 2000 election, left residents wondering whether their votes counted, candidates pondering recounts and everyone asking who's to blame.

"You guys have NO idea what a mess this has been," state election monitor Mike Lindsey wrote his Tallahassee bosses in a pre-dawn e-mail Wednesday from Broward County. "The mess was the result of no planning, poor leadership, lack of 'process ownership' and passing the buck."

The debacle, echoing the 2000 presidential stalemate, drew even more scrutiny because, once again, Florida had a high-profile race that was too close to call.

With 3 percent of precincts still to report by Wednesday afternoon, former Attorney General Janet Reno trailed Tampa lawyer Bill McBride for the Democratic gubernatorial nomination by 19,000 votes out of more than 1 million cast.

The voting problems included technical and human error. Workers had problems starting up new touch-screen voting machines; ballot cards tore and couldn't be read on optical scanning machines; and technical problems delayed processing the electronic cartridges used in the touch-screen voting machines. In Miami-Dade, nearly half of the ballots that were still uncounted Wednesday were cast by black voters.

In addition, some poll workers failed to show up, several polling places opened late and some voters were wrongly turned away for not showing a picture identification.

In response to complaints Tuesday, Gov. Jeb Bush extended polling by two hours but that led to yet more abuses: In Hollywood, workers at one precinct who had not been told of the extension held the door shut and cursed at voters.

In all, 14 of the state's 67 counties reported voting problems, including six of the seven that were sued after the 2000 presidential stalemate.

On Wednesday, the blame game was fast and furious.

Voters and Mr. Bush pointed fingers at election chiefs in Miami-Dade and Broward counties, which bought touch-screen machines to replace punch-card equipment. All counties were required to get rid of punch-card ballots.

Others worried that Florida's troubles were a warning of more to come. Several states scrapped punch-card ballots, bought new equipment and changed their laws since the presidential race.

"It's not just Florida. It's a national problem," said Rob Richie, executive director of the Center for Voting and Democracy, based in Maryland. "We will have lots of problems in the next two months."

Ms. Reno met with legal advisers and contemplated legal action Wednesday.

She could demand a recount or sue to overturn the results. Secretary of State Jim Smith said the race may be tight enough to automatically trigger a statewide recount.

By Wednesday evening, with 99 percent of precincts reporting, Mr. McBride had 599,057 votes, or 45 percent, compared with Ms. Reno's 588,034 votes, or 44 percent. State Sen. Daryl Jones had 155,648 votes, or 12 percent.

Among other races across the nation:

Washington, D.C., Mayor Anthony A. Williams had a commanding lead at the end of the first day of counting write-in ballots in the city's Democratic mayoral primary. By Wednesday evening, Mr. Williams had 17,299 votes in his re-election bid, compared with 1,958 for the Rev. Willie F. Wilson. Poll workers were to return Thursday to continue counting.

Two-term New York Gov. George Pataki faced no Republican opponent but lost the Independence Party nomination to billionaire businessman B. Thomas Golisano. That means Mr. Golinsano's name will be on the November ballot, along with that of state Comptroller H. Carl McCall, who won the Democratic nomination a week after former U.S. Housing Secretary Andrew Cuomo dropped out.

In Maryland, Democratic Lt. Gov. Kathleen Kennedy Townsend and Republican Rep. Robert Ehrlich won their parties' gubernatorial nominations. State Sen. Christopher Van Hollen defeated Kennedy cousin Mark Shriver for the Democratic nomination to challenge eight-term GOP Rep. Constance Morella.


Online at: http://www.dallasnews.com/latestnews/stories/091202dnnatflorida.8b9.html


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: chadpart2; democrats; florida
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To: MeeknMing
This is staged !!
21 posted on 09/12/2002 4:43:18 AM PDT by ChadGore
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To: Greeklawyer
I think you can participate as an 'observer'. You have to register, I believe. Watch the process of transporting the ballots, feeding the counting machines, etc. But inspect the machines themselves? And see the source code?

Even still, observers can't be everywhere at once. Lots of error for pre-voted ballots, hacking, etc. Not to mention that it's all done by Voter News Service. A media organ.
22 posted on 09/12/2002 4:44:43 AM PDT by ovrtaxt
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To: MeeknMing
Are these the counties that were considered Reno's base? Does this look all too familiar, too rehearsed, sort of the norm for democrats? Sabotage or are these people really so uneducated/stupid? Please take a look at this report, I have included a couple of examples...

http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3a12dc02503b.htm

”There is explicit statistical evidence of massive ballot tampering in Palm Beach FL. These ballots show Democratic voter fraud....NOT Republican fraud or "voter error" as publicized by the national media. Statistical evidence cannot prove any single ballot was tampered with, nor show which individual tampered with any single ballot. It can show specific places and times and methods where the fraud was done.

This means that Palm Beach FL had an error rate in favor of Gore more than 120 TIMES greater than any other county, (Two other heavily Democratic "inner city" counties (Flagler and Pinellas) had changes greater than 400 votes. Whether or not fraud existed in those counties is possible, but not analyzed here.) In a statistically valid recount, half of the errors would favor Bush, and half favor Gore. This extreme change from the normal in only three counties shows massive "tampering" towards Gore in those three counties between the original machine count (already tainted by fraud.) and the second machine recount........

23 posted on 09/12/2002 4:55:38 AM PDT by yoe
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To: ovrtaxt
Even as an observer you can't see inside a data cartridge or prove a vote was even recorded.

However, a freeper voter observation force for November 5 does have an appeal...
24 posted on 09/12/2002 5:04:03 AM PDT by Greeklawyer
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To: Greeklawyer
Sure does, until you read this.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/749211/posts
25 posted on 09/12/2002 5:06:45 AM PDT by ovrtaxt
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To: Joe Boucher
The Sun Sentinel adds this:-

U.S. Rep. Alcee Hastings, D-Miramar, said nothing Oliphant is accused of rises to the level of misdeeds he thinks were committed by former Secretary of State Katherine Harris in the 2000 election. He said Bush would face the wrath of black voters in the November election if he removes Oliphant.

“I dare the governor to remove her,” Hastings said. “He’ll create a firestorm that will eclipse the one he created in the One Florida plan. He’ll need Katherine Harris to count the votes for him again.”

Racism at it's worst.

26 posted on 09/12/2002 5:20:27 AM PDT by ijcr
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To: Diogenesis
LOL !
27 posted on 09/12/2002 6:00:10 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: TxBec
LOL! Good point. They are likely ballots in predominately black districts?
28 posted on 09/12/2002 6:02:25 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: yoe
Amazing. Thanks! They'll do anything.....
29 posted on 09/12/2002 6:11:58 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: ijcr
Oliphant compounded her problems by firing all experience workers and hiring all her cronies.

Perhaps the secretary of state needs to send supervisors for the surpervisors. Video cameras to tape constantly the whereabouts of the voting machines.
30 posted on 09/12/2002 6:14:21 AM PDT by Greeklawyer
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To: ijcr
And good old Alcee knows about misdeeds-remember, he's an impeached federal judge.
31 posted on 09/12/2002 6:19:01 AM PDT by 91B
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To: ChadGore
This is staged !!

I wouldn't be surprised if it's determined that's the case.....

32 posted on 09/12/2002 7:29:34 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: ijcr
No this is just Alcie Hastings a classic user of race crying as a tool. I am a black that has been wronged by the white man. He has used that cry since his career began.
By the way, has he been convicted of taking bribes lately? Or just years ago when they kicked him off the court bench?
33 posted on 09/12/2002 9:31:56 AM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: yoe; Joe Brower; kinganamort; floriduh voter
This means that Palm Beach FL had an error rate in favor of Gore more than 120 TIMES greater than any other county, (Two other heavily Democratic "inner city" counties (Flagler and Pinellas) had changes greater than 400 votes. Whether or not fraud existed in those counties is possible, but not analyzed here.) In a statistically valid recount, half of the errors would favor Bush, and half favor Gore. This extreme change from the normal in only three counties shows massive "tampering" towards Gore in those three counties between the original machine count (already tainted by fraud.) and the second machine recount........

And the 'usual suspects' will be doing the same tricks to try to help McLawyer beat Bush! We must work extra hard to get out the GOP vote to offset the RATs' fraud!

34 posted on 09/12/2002 2:27:46 PM PDT by JulieRNR21
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To: JulieRNR21
POINT NO. 1: BILL MCBRIDE = BILL CLINTON. McLawyer is dumber than Clinton though and beholding to him. I wonder what else the dems promised McLawyer to talk him into running?

"McLawyer, the White House can be yours someday". POINT NO. 2: WE CANNOT AFFORD THE TAXATION THAT WE WOULD BE HIT WITH.

35 posted on 09/12/2002 2:56:59 PM PDT by floriduh voter
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To: MeeknMing; PhiKapMom; summer
BREAKING NEWS Thursday Evening: Janet Reno is not giving up. Maybe she should try to run for Miss North Carolina - she'd have just as good a shot at that in Court. This aint' over. Meanwhile, Jeb can prepare for his campaign based on his record, not upon if it's going to be tweedle-dee or tweedle-dum.

Is summer's pc in the shop again?

36 posted on 09/12/2002 3:02:58 PM PDT by floriduh voter
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To: floriduh voter
LOl...no, I just don't have time to respond to all these threads! :)
37 posted on 09/12/2002 3:22:56 PM PDT by summer
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To: Joe Boucher
There was an organized effort to deny mean-faced, clip-haired women the right to vote.
38 posted on 09/12/2002 3:25:06 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: summer
Gee, well, nice that you and your pc are keeping out of trouble. LOL Are there any new Jeb threads I need to bump for you?
39 posted on 09/12/2002 4:05:18 PM PDT by floriduh voter
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To: floriduh voter
Yep. Less than 2 months to election day now. Hoping for the best for Jeb - he'll win !
40 posted on 09/12/2002 4:11:51 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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