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Iraq is not the problem
townhall.com ^ | Sep. 11, 2002 | Paul Craig Roberts

Posted on 09/11/2002 6:05:30 AM PDT by Clinton Is Scum

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Whether or not we attack Iraq, we must secure our borders.
1 posted on 09/11/2002 6:05:31 AM PDT by Clinton Is Scum
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We need to attack Iraq and secure our borders, post haste.
2 posted on 09/11/2002 6:12:14 AM PDT by tomahawk
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To: Clinton Is Scum; 4ConservativeJustices; billbears
See, Slick Willy ruined our military and sold us out to Red China to line the dims coffers, leaving us defenseless against Red China, should we blow our wad against Iraq. And taxes will have to go up to foot the bill...
3 posted on 09/11/2002 6:16:08 AM PDT by Ff--150
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" But Israel has been demonstrating clout for decades and is still engulfed by terrorism. "

Actually, now that Israel has been allowed to fight back, some claim Hamas is 98% decimated as a military force, and is debating an end to terrorism as a way to save what's left of their political viability. But thanks for bringing up the Israeli model for us.

4 posted on 09/11/2002 6:26:36 AM PDT by elfman2
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Rumsfeld said yesterday that the military was capable of fighting three wars, including one with China should they invade Taiwan if necessary. Is the military that gutted, or was he misstating the truth in order to try keep China at bay?
5 posted on 09/11/2002 6:27:36 AM PDT by NAV1
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"leaving us defenseless against Red China, should we blow our wad against Iraq."

"wads" regenerate.

6 posted on 09/11/2002 6:28:48 AM PDT by elfman2
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"If the United States is to adopt the Roman approach of overthrowing enemies before they arise, the it should focus on China"

There's no firm evidence that China is involved in terrorism, much less 9/11, and there's no 10-year-old cease fire that they broke to justify our "resumption of hostilities".

Also we have to learn to walk before we can run.

7 posted on 09/11/2002 6:34:10 AM PDT by elfman2
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"… the ratio of left-wing to conservative professors in a number of universities…. And some people think the problem is in Iraq? "

The author's meatheads are dishonest. Any one of us could come up with a list of a dozen or more social problems that we could say must be solved before attacking Iraq, or doing anything else.

8 posted on 09/11/2002 6:41:04 AM PDT by elfman2
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Whether or not we attack Iraq, we must secure our borders.

We must do both.

Roberts is correct when he points out the bipartisan failures of the Bush Adminstration to secure our borders in the last year. He is wrong with regard to his understanding of the Moslem mind when he states:

"The terrorist threat comes from radical Islam. Saddam Hussein runs a secular state. Would overthrowing a secular ruler help or harm radical Islam?"

Saddam is secular, as far as other Moslems are concerned, only until he is confronted by a Jew or a Christian. Then he is transformed into the purest acolyte of his "anscestor" Mohammed, standard-bearer of Allah, and would-be liberator of Jerusalem-- just like his fellow Tikrit hometown Idol, Saladin. Nevermind that Saladin was a Kurd or that Hussein is not a descendent of Mohammed or that Mohammed never went to the Temple Mount in Jerusalem: facts are not important to Islam.

Further, for Roberts to suggest that the terrorist threat doesn't come, at least in part, from Saddam, is nonsense. Hussein was definitely behind the 1993 WTC bombing and has definitely been funding the families of "palestinian" homicide bombers. Then there are the links to OKC and Al Qaeda.

Does anyone doubt that Hussein would provide WMDs to terrorists if it suited him?

We have no choice but to secure our borders and destroy the Stalinist Moslem state of Iraq.




9 posted on 09/11/2002 7:18:54 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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Iraq is not the root problem. SAUDI ARABIA is.
10 posted on 09/11/2002 7:21:16 AM PDT by fogarty
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You are, again, correct! The answer is C, both A and B.
11 posted on 09/11/2002 7:22:11 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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Hussein was definitely behind the 1993 WTC bombing

Sources? I hadn't heard that.
12 posted on 09/11/2002 7:26:00 AM PDT by Valin
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Anybody that ignores the potential enemies here at home is going to be very surprised. Just imagine the inequality of persons trying to get some CIA operatives into Iraq to get Sadaam. Now visualize the terrorists trying to get a team into the United States with our present border policies. The United States is the safest haven for a terrorist in the world today.

If he is setting in a camp in Timbuktu he can be wiped out by an aerial attack with smart weapons. In the United States, he can melt into the population and survive indefinitely until he has a chance to strike. Now tell me, if this isn't logical, what is wrong with this theory? If not, do you think that the terrorist is too stupid to figure this angle out?

13 posted on 09/11/2002 7:28:13 AM PDT by meenie
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"Wars have unintended consequences. Would an American invasion of an Arab country further radicalize the Islamic world, leading to the rise of unfriendly governments in Pakistan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia? Would the United States then have to invade a hostile Pakistan because of its nuclear weapons?"

So does inaction! Appeasement didn't work with Hitler, and it won't work with Saddam. Saddam wants to be the top dog in the Arab world. What better way to accomplish this goal, than with a big strike in the American heartland? We ignore Saddam at our own peril!!

14 posted on 09/11/2002 7:30:24 AM PDT by Destructor
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Saddam is secular, as far as other Moslems are concerned, only until he is confronted by a Jew or a Christian. Then he is transformed into the purest acolyte of his "anscestor" Mohammed, standard-bearer of Allah, and would-be liberator of Jerusalem-- just like his fellow Tikrit hometown Idol, Saladin. Nevermind that Saladin was a Kurd or that Hussein is not a descendent of Mohammed or that Mohammed never went to the Temple Mount in Jerusalem: facts are not important to Islam.

Secular schmecular. Just scratch a millimeter deep and they are in Jihad mode. Sadddam gives $25,000 checks to families of suicide bombers that kill Jews of Israel. Of course a few non Jews get killed too such as Arabs who happen to be on the bus and foreign workers.

15 posted on 09/11/2002 7:36:18 AM PDT by dennisw
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I've never read Roberts sounding like such a punk before.

I swear, these "ideology über alles" types are a dangerous cancer and a threat to our lives.

These types on the Right must realize that they are actually aiding the blatant anti-Americans among us by their arguments, yet they go on undeterred.

They won't be satisfied until another few thousands (hundreds of thousands, maybe?) are killed to justify their ideology when we could have prevented it.

I say DAMN their ideology. Innocent Americans' blood will not be on my hands. I won't be held captive or restrained by it. Can't speak for you, but I won't be.

16 posted on 09/11/2002 7:37:18 AM PDT by rdb3
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Sources? I hadn't heard that.

The sources and evidence are copious.

This book is a good place to start...

"Study of Revenge" is, first of all, the story of the Trade Center bombing. Mylroie contends that the mastermind behind the bombing was an Iraqi intelligence agent, Ramzi Yousef, who escaped and left behind the Muslim fundamentalists who participated in the plot and were meant to be caught. She argues that the Clinton administration's mishandling of the event led to the emergence of a fraudulent and dangerous theory about Middle East terrorism–that it is no longer primarily state-sponsored but is carried out by individuals or "loose networks." The misunderstanding is particularly dangerous in light of the prospects for biological terrorism.

In addition to her account of events around the bombing, Mylroie describes how Saddam Hussein has steadily regained strength and eroded the system of postwar constraints that were supposed to hold him in check. She suggests that because of the proscribed unconventional-weapons capabilities Saddam retained in violation of the Gulf War cease-fire–and without the check of U.N. weapons inspectors–he is far more dangerous than is generally recognized.

Mylroie bases her case on a meticulous analysis of the government's evidence in the terrorism trials that followed the Trade Center bombing. Her book is written as a detective story, and the reader is invited to conduct the investigation into state sponsorship of the terrorism that the U.S. government failed to conduct.
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17 posted on 09/11/2002 7:45:18 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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18 posted on 09/11/2002 7:49:29 AM PDT by Valin
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Does anyone know the time of Bush's speech to the United Nations tomorrow?

Please post.

19 posted on 09/11/2002 7:59:08 AM PDT by mikhailovich
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To: Sabertooth
Big Bad Bomb Bagdad BUMP!
20 posted on 09/11/2002 8:12:00 AM PDT by sleavelessinseattle
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