LIBERTARIAN CANDIDATE SPITS IN FACE OF TALK SHOW HOST ON THE AIR

DFU listening to KABC in Los Angeles | 9-8-02 | Doug from Upland

[Roscoe]

A better approach would be to attempt to reduce demand, possibly via education and restrictions on distribution to minors.

So go do it and render the laws moot.

[Roscoe]

Society and government exists for the protection of the individual rights, not the individual for the society.

TANSTAAFL

[realpatriot71]

HEY, I thought getting STONED is what you guys wanted to do!!!!!

Touche' :-)

However, I think you get silliness of my statement and the silliness of CA Guy's statement. I just don't think I should be made into a criminal when I have done nothing to iniate force against you or yours.

[realpatriot71]

Sorry my friend, we're not a "collective". This is one of the most dangerous lies ever perpetuated by the political elite - an idea that once ingrained will allow control.

Open your mouth because here comes the spoon . . .

[Moby Grape]

This is one of the problems with the LP folk....they wish to claim no law is broken if they have not iniated force....if I drive 150 miles an hour through a school zone, I have not iniated force against someone.....but to your point about what you do in your home...I think of you as a law breaker for knowingly breaking the law....do I think of you as a criminal (like a theif or worse)? No. Would I report you to the police? No.

[Cultural Jihad]

Am I really that out of line here?

You tell me. You are sitting at home watching the cartoons you say you enjoy, and smoking your dope in this infantile way. Who has arrested you? Who has made you a criminal?

[Roscoe]

"Whosoever, therefore, out of a state of Nature unite into a community, must be understood to give up all the power necessary to the ends for which they unite into society to the majority of the community, unless they expressly agreed in any number greater than the majority. And this is done by barely agreeing to unite into one political society, which is all the compact that is, or needs be, between the individuals that enter into or make up a commonwealth. And thus, that which begins and actually constitutes any political society is nothing but the consent of any number of freemen capable of majority, to unite and incorporate into such a society. And this is that, and that only, which did or could give beginning to any lawful government in the world." -- John Locke

"Prescription is the most solid of all titles, not only to property, but, which is to secure that property, to government. They harmonise with each other, and give mutual aid to one another. It is accompanied with another ground of authority in the constitution of the human mind-- presumption. It is a presumption in favour of any settled scheme of government against any untried project, that a nation has long existed and flourished under it. It is a better presumption even of the choice of a nation, far better than any sudden and temporary arrangement by actual election. Because a nation is not an idea only of local extent, and individual momentary aggregation, but it is an idea of continuity, which extends in time as well as in numbers and in space. And this is a choice not of one day, or one set of people, not a tumultuary and giddy choice; it is a deliberate election of ages and of generations; it is a Constitution made by what is ten thousand times better than choice--it is made by the peculiar circumstances, occasions, tempers, dispositions, and moral, civil, and social habitudes of the people, which disclose themselves only in a long space of time." -- Edmund Burke

"Every society has a right to fix the fundamental principles of its association, and to say to all individuals, that if they contemplate pursuits beyond the limits of these principles and involving dangers which the society chooses to avoid, they must go somewhere else for their exercise; that we want no citizens, and still less ephemeral and pseudo-citizens, on such terms. We may exclude them from our territory, as we do persons infected with disease." -- Thomas Jefferson

[Roscoe]

It's not a crime until
I run over somebody!

[Moby Grape]

Ya know, maybe the reason the Libertarians don't get more votes is because they stay so stoned that they forget it is election day.

[A CA Guy]

Society is the individual in mass!

[realpatriot71]

I think of you as a law breaker for knowingly breaking the law....do I think of you as a criminal (like a theif or worse)? No. Would I report you to the police? No.

Ok, that's a start. Now, why is it such a big jump to decriminalize this activity?

[realpatriot71]

Who has arrested you? Who has made you a criminal?

While I have not been bothered, under the law, I could be bothered for not harming anyone. If I'm smoking a joint while driving - lock me up. If I give your kid pot - lock me up. If I'm smoking MJ in the city park - lock me up.

However, why should it be illegal for me to do an activity, when it does not harm you and yours. The point here is that I can be arrested for not harming a single person. I find that to be immoral. Do you not agree?

[Cultural Jihad]

The point here is that I can be arrested for not harming a single person. I find that to be immoral. Do you not agree?

Show me the state law in California which prescribes arrest for marijuana possession.

[realpatriot71]

Society is the individual in mass!

I would disagree and say that society is not the individual in mass, but rather society is made up of discrete individuals. Individuals who, if they do not harm the society that they are a part of, should be left to themselves.

[realpatriot71]

Nice quotes. I think they support my position though. Society when made up of free men, seeks to support he rights of those free men. Soceity rests on the consent of the individuals.

Within this context, I agree that states and communities should be able to make rules governing the behavior in those areas. "Drugs" are not in the purview of the Federal government in the Constitution as written.

I'm sure you'll disagree.

[realpatriot71]

Well fellas I have a rather annoyingly difficult quiz to study for, so we'll have to finish this discussion later.

God Bless

[Cultural Jihad]

Later, and feel free to state which California law requires imprisonment for marijuana possession when you get a chance. ;) Good luck with the exam, too.

[A CA Guy]

Should we be worried about a medical student with access to drugs with a Libertarian view?
Hope we never read a self medication thread by you.
That would be scary stuff!

Best wishes for good grades on your test.
Get used to no sleep. It is the norm for that job these days.

[tpaine]

"Show me the state law in California which prescribes arrest for marijuana possession." - CJ -

CJ. -- Does it make a difference to the 'felon' whether state or fed law put him in jail? -- From another thread:

The U.S. medical marijuana movement, which gained strength in California during the height of the AIDS epidemic, also received a setback in 2001 when the U.S. Supreme Court unanimously upheld the federal ban on marijuana.

[Cultural Jihad]

Does it make a difference to the 'felon' whether state or fed law put him in jail?

Show me the state law of California where possession of less than one ounce of marijuana on one's own property is a felony?