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The militia movement in Kentucky, once a stronghold of paramilitary activity in the US, waining.
The Courier-Journal ^ | September 8, 2002 | Joseph Gertg

Posted on 09/08/2002 4:34:02 AM PDT by toddst

Edited on 05/07/2004 6:46:44 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

LEXINGTON, Ky. -- The militia movement in Kentucky, once a stronghold of paramilitary activity in the United States, appears to be waning.

With former Kentucky State Militia commander Charlie Puckett in prison and Steve Anderson -- another high-profile member of the group -- being sought as a fugitive, the militia is in disarray, despite recent efforts to regroup.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: kentucky; milita; paramilitary; puckett
''As federal law enforcement we've not targeted the militia, but in the militia some participating personalities have emerged who are committed to illegal acts. Mr. Puckett is an example of that.''

However, no mention is made of the ATF, who did target Mr. Puckett. He committed no crime, but wanted his life back so plea-bargained to avoud spending the rest of his life in prison.

1 posted on 09/08/2002 4:34:02 AM PDT by toddst
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To: toddst
I imagine that Bush being elected has something to do with this decline as well. Although, I need to check in on Pucket.
2 posted on 09/08/2002 4:41:12 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: toddst
Militia. Yeah right. 3/4 of the members are probably LEO's and the rest are nuts.

And I'm sure Mr Puckett admitted guilt to avoid prison. How convenient.

3 posted on 09/08/2002 4:41:19 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: toddst
One word pops up quite frequently in this article; "allegedly"....
4 posted on 09/08/2002 5:18:05 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: toddst
He committed no crime, but wanted his life back so plea-bargained to avoud spending the rest of his life in prison.

No crime to brew up a few pipe bombs, I guess.

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5 posted on 09/08/2002 5:41:00 AM PDT by JCG
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To: JCG
I dont agree with a lot these groups represent but it is amazing to me how great the ATF,FBI and probably even the CIA can target these groups yet allow what happened in 9-1-1.We have a lot of groups in America that are in the process of overthrowing this government you never hear about and in the name of diversity it is allowed to go on.
6 posted on 09/08/2002 6:09:45 AM PDT by gunnedah
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To: toddst
Militia activists cite a number of reasons for the decline, from apathy about what the government is doing to federal prosecutions of militia leaders.

Actually, the decline in militia memberships is due to one thing, and only one thing - the 75% of members who were actually agents for the FBI, BATF, DEA, CIA, NSA, NRO, and all the other alphabet soups got called back to Washington to work on other matters. Since the government ones were reportedly the only militia members out there urging the remaining 25% to go out and blow something up, their absence is actually a good thing.

7 posted on 09/08/2002 6:39:00 AM PDT by FateAmenableToChange
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To: toddst
The militias are and have always been a joke. The leadership of many militia groups include non-combat arms ex-E-4's or below that have got it into their heads that they are military geniuses.

Then of course you have the Bo Gritz's of the world that use their honorable military service record as a "cult of personality" to manipulate people into thinking he is an American patriot, when in fact he is just making money off of his name. Then again, bhe could be working for the government and compiling lists of names of those that contribute and/or join his organization.

IMO, the "militias" will be nothing to worry about until such a time as professional soldiers band together. A militia group such as this will not advertise. They will be a clandetine operation consisting of known and trusted members. We will not hear about them until they strike, and even then, I would be surprised if we ever learned who actually committed the attack.

Can you imagine the havok a militia group consisting of ex-D-boys, SF and bat-boys could make? The scum in DC would be shaking in their boots. I get a warm fuzzy just thinking about it.

Things will have to get much worse than they are for this to happen though (IMO).

8 posted on 09/08/2002 8:01:39 AM PDT by bat-boy
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Although, I need to check in on Pucket.

There's quite a bit on Mr. Puckett available through FR search.

9 posted on 09/08/2002 8:38:53 AM PDT by toddst
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To: JCG
No crime to brew up a few pipe bombs, I guess.

He had no pipe bombs, only the "materials" required. If you reload and have plumber supplies at your home you too can be charged by the ATF.

10 posted on 09/08/2002 8:42:22 AM PDT by toddst
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To: AppyPappy
And I'm sure Mr Puckett admitted guilt to avoid prison. How convenient.

Mr. Puckett is serving two-plus years in federal prison even though he committed no crime. I recommend you read about this case and then point out what crime he did commit.

The "felony" was stealing food from a store prior to 1968. He was charged with possessing guns as a convicted felon even though the law was being applied retroactively. The ATF was out to burn Mr.Puckett and did just that.

11 posted on 09/08/2002 8:48:21 AM PDT by toddst
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To: Iscool
One word pops up quite frequently in this article; "allegedly"...

Yes it does. You will also notice the issue of defining the felony Mr. Puckett committed (prior to 1968) was never presented. Neither did our reporter point out the case was pushed by the ATF, not the US Attorney.

12 posted on 09/08/2002 8:52:01 AM PDT by toddst
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Mr. Puckett is serving two-plus years in federal prison even though he committed no crime

Of course not. The prisons are full of innocent people.

13 posted on 09/08/2002 9:56:22 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: toddst
He had no pipe bombs, only the "materials" required. If you reload and have plumber supplies at your home you too can be charged by the ATF.

Yeah right. The article says he had "pipe bombs."

So does this one:

A convicted felon, Puckett was under house arrest when he fled March 14. He was charged Feb. 26 with possessing guns, pipe bombs and ammunition in violation of federal law.

According to a nine-count indictment, Puckett possessed a device used to convert an assault rifle into a machine gun, three pipe bombs, five ''mine-type devices,'' plus shotguns, rifles and pistols, a grenade pistol and more than 35,000 ammunition rounds.

http://www.courier-journal.com/localnews/2002/04/05/ke040502s182206.htm

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14 posted on 09/08/2002 1:54:44 PM PDT by JCG
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A convicted felon, Puckett was under house arrest when he fled March 14. He was charged Feb. 26 with possessing guns, pipe bombs and ammunition in violation of federal law. According to a nine-count indictment, Puckett possessed a device used to convert an assault rifle into a machine gun, three pipe bombs, five ''mine-type devices,'' plus shotguns, rifles and pistols, a grenade pistol and more than 35,000 ammunition rounds.

"He was charged with. . ." Look at the laundry list, none of which was ever presented in court. Unless they are presented as evidence I'm not willing to accept the pipe bombs or "mine-type devices" existed. The ATF was after Mr. Puckett over the issue of his being a "felon" in posession of guns and ammunition. This restriction did not exist until the 1968 Gun Control Act was passed. Mr. Puckett's felony was theft of food before 1968.

Do you have confidence in "the article" written by a leftist anti-gun reporter? I don't. Mr. Puckett did a plea-bargain to get his life back. I don't blame him for going that route. Do you?

15 posted on 09/08/2002 3:47:31 PM PDT by toddst
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To: AppyPappy
The prisons are full of innocent people.

I don't believe for one minute prisons are full of innocent people. However, Mr. Puckett was railroaded by the ATF and did a plea-bargain to get most of his life back.

Given, he didn't wage war over how he was mistreated (improper use of the '68 Gun Control Act) but that could have caused him to serve many more years in the federal pen. I wouldn't go there, would you?

16 posted on 09/08/2002 4:02:41 PM PDT by toddst
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To: toddst
Do you have confidence in "the article" written by a leftist anti-gun reporter? I don't. Mr. Puckett did a plea-bargain to get his life back. I don't blame him for going that route. Do you?

What part of "nine-count indictment" don't you understand? If he copped a plea, he had to admit to it. Quit trying to alibi for wackjob outlaws.

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17 posted on 09/08/2002 9:51:14 PM PDT by JCG
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To: JCG
If he copped a plea, he had to admit to it. Quit trying to alibi for wackjob outlaws.

Mr. Puckett is entitled to his opinions. He hurt no-one. The ATF stacked up charges that had no basis in fact, other than Mr. Puckett being in possession of guns and ammunition as a convicted felon under the '68 Gun Control Act, which did not apply to his earlier crime. This does not make him an outlaw IMO. So I suppose we have to agree to disagree.

18 posted on 09/09/2002 4:07:29 AM PDT by toddst
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