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Clinton leads the revolt against war (PROJECTILE VOMITING ALERT)
The Evening Standard ^
| September 6, 2002
| Joe Murphy
Posted on 09/07/2002 2:40:29 PM PDT by MadIvan
Tony Blair and George Bush today face mounting opposition to the war on Iraq from both sides of the Atlantic.
In Britain, a survey of Labour MPs showed almost zero backing for military attacks on Saddam Hussein's regime.
And in the States, former president Bill Clinton led a growing chorus of demands to postpone action until Osama bin Laden, the terrorist godfather thought to be behind the 11 September atrocities, is caught.
In another blow, the head of the intelligence committee in Congress, Bob Graham, also called for war to be postponed until Afghanistan was dealt with.
Mr Blair, who flies to Camp David tomorrow for a war summit with President Bush, came under pressure from Robin Cook, the leading "dove" in the Cabinet who pressed for MPs to be given a Commons vote on the issue.
Number 10 has so far refused to promise a vote and has rejected an early recall of Parliament to debate the crisis.
But Mr Cook said that before the original Gulf War in 1990, Labour and the Conservatives agreed to hold a vote.
"I am sure that this Labour government will be aware of that precedent," he said in an interview with the Financial Times.
Mr Cook, the Leader of the Commons, also demanded that military action be conducted under the auspices of the United Nations. "If we are to succeed in curbing Saddam's military ambitions, we have a better chance of success if we have the world with us and Saddam isolated," he said.
The scale of opposition among backbenchers was revealed in a survey of 100 Labour MPs carried out by the BBC. Only four said they thought there were currently sufficient grounds to declare war on Iraq, compared with 88 who did not.
Almost nine in 10 - 86 per cent - said there should be a Commons vote before the Cabinet takes a decision on military action. That was a direct challenge to ministers who have only offered a debate, without a vote, after the Cabinet has made up its mind.
Tensions were also growing in America, where Mr Clinton used a fundraising gala in California to attack President Bush for targeting Saddam Hussein before "finishing the job" in Afghanistan.
"Saddam Hussein didn't kill 3,100 people on 11 September," declared Mr Clinton. "Osama bin Laden did, and as far as we know he is still alive. Before we give up the effort in Afghanistan we need to finish the job. Bin Laden is still our biggest security threat."
Mr Clinton also warned that a strike against Saddam would strip the Iraqi leader of any incentive to hold off using chemical and biological weapons. He said: "Saddam Hussein is not a good man by our definition. There is no question that he has significant stocks of chemical and biological agents.
"I think we have to assume that if he knows we're coming, he'll do everything he can to use them. He has maximum incentive not to use the stuff. If we go in, he has maximum incentive to use it because he knows he's going to lose. That's a risk and it's an issue the President-has to address." The former president-said America should be trying to "lead the world" not "run the world". And he warned that Saddam was "admired" by many ordinary Arabs.
Labour MPs were furious today that Mr Blair decalred in a television documentary that he was prepared to pay the "blood price" needed to preserve the special relationship with the US.
He insisted that the UK must be there "when the shooting starts" to maintain its most important alliance.
Mr Blair will fly to Russia on Monday for talks with Vladimir Putin, his first piece of shuttle diplomacy on behalf of the fledgling coalition.
Russian backing is vital because Mr Putin has the power to veto any UN resolution as a permanent member of the UN security council.
Jack Straw will today insist it would be "wildly irresponsible" to rule out military action against Saddam. In a speech at Birmingham University, the Foreign Secretary will say: "Until Saddam co-operates fully with UN weapons inspectors, we have no guarantees that a dictator who has previously shown no restraint in using weapons of mass destruction will not use them again."
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To: FreedomFriend
I think it's time for a Wall Street II movie. Think the libs in Hollyweird will think of it ?
To: John Lenin
I never saw the first one.
To: MadIvan
Thank you very much for posting this.
The 'Projectile Vomiting Alert' criterion has been exceeded. We need to reclassify this material at ELE or higher (Extinction Level Emesis).
The Clintons are very evil people. This premeditated bit of prevarication on the part of Bubba Rex is targeted quite narrowly at establishing Hillary Regina and BR as 'voices of reason' on the Iraqi matter so as to stay in the news. This is all about grooming HR for an executive office gambit. She will make a back room play for a VPOTUS 'draft' in 2004.
Bubba Rex is setting up the I-told-you-so scenario. This is far more dangerous than most realize. BR/HR will work to orchestrate a Bush failure through the Clintonian minions still in place.
Specifically: The massive bureaucracy of our republic is still larded with Clintonistas. They will make every effort to undermine an anti-Sadaam assault, if it will help in returning the Clintons to power in some guise. Bubba Rex will not hesitate for a nanosecond to send the order through his Arky mafia network to destroy whatever obstructs the next Clinton path to power. They would certainly compromise any intelligence and worse if they thought it would hurt Bush and help HR/BR.
The real war ain't gonna be in Iraq.
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posted on
09/07/2002 4:10:15 PM PDT
by
esopman
To: MadIvan
To: MadIvan
Well at least Clinto isn't spewing the lies about being possessed by the thoughts of getting UBL.
But I have to agree, everytime he opens his mouth you think he can't possibly top his last stupid lying utterance, but he does.
Does anyone care but chuckie 'the cereal killer' schumer? Remember that dumb fool parading around with cereal boxes and blabbering about how he is going to make the cereal companies pay. What a dump pile of it he is.
snooker
85
posted on
09/07/2002 4:18:04 PM PDT
by
snooker
To: esopman
I'd bet that W is working on a strategy to take StainMaster behind the woodshed for a whoopin'. Remember, W alsways says, "I'm a patient man." Problem is, he's only got two more years....
86
posted on
09/07/2002 4:23:34 PM PDT
by
Cobra64
To: tall_tex
I think my father is brilliant.
To: MadIvan
Clinton is sickening. I don't recall ONE past President speaking out against anything he did as Commander in Chief.
When he attacks our current Commander in Chief, while our troops on on the field so to speak, he is attacking America.
When Clinton tries to weaken President Bush, he weakens America.
This kind of speaking out against a CURRENT President by a PREVIOUS President, is UN-PRECEDENTED!!!
It looks like our DU visitor,"Mich" has been banned. You remember him:
seeing as 8 of the 20 alleged hijackers have now been found aliveSo long, Sucker!
To: 11B3
ROFLMAO - I'd like to see that happen last year. heh heh !
Wouldn't we all?....
To: MadIvan
Mr Clinton also warned that a strike against Saddam would strip the Iraqi leader of any incentive to hold off using chemical and biological weapons. He said: "Saddam Hussein is not a good man by our definition. There is no question that he has significant stocks of chemical and biological agents.This, from the t*rd who claims he was "obsessed" with getting Bin Laden.
To: FreedomFriend
At this time, I am not going down the OWO trail. Hey, you got at least 10 years to learn, sit back relax and enjoy the ride. Another time one wiser than I told a joke about the old bull and the young bull that were standing up a hill overlooking a heard of grazing cows. The young bull said to the old bull "lets run down the hill and make love to one of those cows". The old bull said to the young bull, "lets walk down the hill and make love to all of them". At least you picked a great forum to learn from. Tom
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posted on
09/07/2002 4:46:05 PM PDT
by
tall_tex
To: MeeknMing
![](http://images.salon.com/politics/feature/2001/01/19/jackson/story.jpg)
Notice the position of the left arm of each person. Also, notice the smiles all around, especially the woman on Bubba's left.
To: joyce11111
Let's not forget Clinton was offered not one but THREE chances to have Osama Bin Laden's head delivered to him on a platter while he was in office and turned them all DOWN. Its a little cheeky of the psychopath whose inattention to national security brought about 9-11, to be lecturing President Bush about not dealing with the Iraq threat upfront. For the record, Bin Laden is probably dead and now is the perfect time to carry our war upon terror into the next arena - Iraq. Its time to finish the job we should have finished 10 years ago but didn't. President Bush and Prime Minister Tony Blair are well aware of what at stake more than the Great Impeached does and unlike him they will put the security of the Free World and of their nations ahead of political expediency. The reason Clinton's piping up is two-fold: he regrets having wasted his presidency and he has a need to be in the headlines.
To: tall_tex
What does the acronym OWO stand for? Hey, I'm an American citizen, and I think that we should question such things.
To: MadIvan
Just when I think the Clintons could not possibly sink any lower...they do.
To: okie01
But...who will tell him? I'll volunteer!
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posted on
09/07/2002 5:02:17 PM PDT
by
kcvl
To: desertcry
You nailed it. I say to have the vote on Iraq take place in the Congress Wednesday, 9/11/02. Let Tiney Tommy and Tiney Dickie and their fellow rats vote against it. Of course they won't ask for a vote. It is just not PC. Have they not learned that nice guys tend to finish last. Of course except for the Lone Ranger, Roy Rogers, and Superman. WHERE ARE THEY WHEN WE NEED THEM???
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posted on
09/07/2002 5:02:26 PM PDT
by
tall_tex
To: MeeknMing
"Saddam Hussein didn't kill 3,100 people on 11 September," declared Mr Clinton. How does he know that? Tell that to the families of the victims. I heard one woman from New York on Fox News this morning who lost her husband say that she was sick of the politicians saying we shouldn't attack Iraq. Maybe that's how many people in New York and around the country think. If so, the Democrats are not going to be happy with the next election.
Daschle, et al, think that by trying to put off the war until after the election is going to help them. They aren't worried about what it does to this country. AS USUAL!
99
posted on
09/07/2002 5:06:57 PM PDT
by
kcvl
To: okie01
>>He needs to keep his mouth shut."
>But...who will tell him?
Barbra Streisand was always good at calling up ol' willy and telling him what she thought about his decisions/actions. She said so in an interview. They are "very close friends". (That's so sweet, I'm gonna cry...)
You're right...no one's gonna tell him to shut up.
100
posted on
09/07/2002 5:09:13 PM PDT
by
scan58
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