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Clinton leads the revolt against war (PROJECTILE VOMITING ALERT)
The Evening Standard ^ | September 6, 2002 | Joe Murphy

Posted on 09/07/2002 2:40:29 PM PDT by MadIvan

Tony Blair and George Bush today face mounting opposition to the war on Iraq from both sides of the Atlantic.

In Britain, a survey of Labour MPs showed almost zero backing for military attacks on Saddam Hussein's regime.

And in the States, former president Bill Clinton led a growing chorus of demands to postpone action until Osama bin Laden, the terrorist godfather thought to be behind the 11 September atrocities, is caught.

In another blow, the head of the intelligence committee in Congress, Bob Graham, also called for war to be postponed until Afghanistan was dealt with.

Mr Blair, who flies to Camp David tomorrow for a war summit with President Bush, came under pressure from Robin Cook, the leading "dove" in the Cabinet who pressed for MPs to be given a Commons vote on the issue.

Number 10 has so far refused to promise a vote and has rejected an early recall of Parliament to debate the crisis.

But Mr Cook said that before the original Gulf War in 1990, Labour and the Conservatives agreed to hold a vote.

"I am sure that this Labour government will be aware of that precedent," he said in an interview with the Financial Times.

Mr Cook, the Leader of the Commons, also demanded that military action be conducted under the auspices of the United Nations. "If we are to succeed in curbing Saddam's military ambitions, we have a better chance of success if we have the world with us and Saddam isolated," he said.

The scale of opposition among backbenchers was revealed in a survey of 100 Labour MPs carried out by the BBC. Only four said they thought there were currently sufficient grounds to declare war on Iraq, compared with 88 who did not.

Almost nine in 10 - 86 per cent - said there should be a Commons vote before the Cabinet takes a decision on military action. That was a direct challenge to ministers who have only offered a debate, without a vote, after the Cabinet has made up its mind.

Tensions were also growing in America, where Mr Clinton used a fundraising gala in California to attack President Bush for targeting Saddam Hussein before "finishing the job" in Afghanistan.

"Saddam Hussein didn't kill 3,100 people on 11 September," declared Mr Clinton. "Osama bin Laden did, and as far as we know he is still alive. Before we give up the effort in Afghanistan we need to finish the job. Bin Laden is still our biggest security threat."

Mr Clinton also warned that a strike against Saddam would strip the Iraqi leader of any incentive to hold off using chemical and biological weapons. He said: "Saddam Hussein is not a good man by our definition. There is no question that he has significant stocks of chemical and biological agents.

"I think we have to assume that if he knows we're coming, he'll do everything he can to use them. He has maximum incentive not to use the stuff. If we go in, he has maximum incentive to use it because he knows he's going to lose. That's a risk and it's an issue the President-has to address." The former president-said America should be trying to "lead the world" not "run the world". And he warned that Saddam was "admired" by many ordinary Arabs.

Labour MPs were furious today that Mr Blair decalred in a television documentary that he was prepared to pay the "blood price" needed to preserve the special relationship with the US.

He insisted that the UK must be there "when the shooting starts" to maintain its most important alliance.

Mr Blair will fly to Russia on Monday for talks with Vladimir Putin, his first piece of shuttle diplomacy on behalf of the fledgling coalition.

Russian backing is vital because Mr Putin has the power to veto any UN resolution as a permanent member of the UN security council.

Jack Straw will today insist it would be "wildly irresponsible" to rule out military action against Saddam. In a speech at Birmingham University, the Foreign Secretary will say: "Until Saddam co-operates fully with UN weapons inspectors, we have no guarantees that a dictator who has previously shown no restraint in using weapons of mass destruction will not use them again."


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To: StormEye
More Legacy..........



Clinton Crying - Video @ Ron Brown Funeral. Laffing & So Forth Til He Sees Camera..... More Legacy..........


Clinton Crying - Video @ Ron Brown Funeral
Laffing & So Forth Til He Sees Camera.....


Spank me Hillary – Harder!

61 posted on 09/07/2002 3:43:15 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: tillacum
Eventually, all of these who you mentioned must be held accountable for their actions. Time for a little "camping" adventure.
62 posted on 09/07/2002 3:45:03 PM PDT by 11B3
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To: Cindy
The Final Legacy. . .


63 posted on 09/07/2002 3:45:33 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: MadIvan
Well, X42 is still proving himself to be an a$$


64 posted on 09/07/2002 3:47:34 PM PDT by texson66
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To: MeeknMing
ROFLMAO - I'd like to see that happen last year.
65 posted on 09/07/2002 3:47:35 PM PDT by 11B3
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
Wasn't it Bush who was for giving China "Favored trading Status"? While they forcefully murder children?

Don't get me wrong, Clinton did the same thing, even worse. He traded our secrets. However, what is Bush doing to help America thrive economically? De-indstrialize us, help contribute to closed American factories, workers out of work. NAFTA, GATT?

68 posted on 09/07/2002 3:49:13 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: MadIvan
ADMINISTRATION RECORDS SET
- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad

HISTORICAL CONTEXT
- Number of independent counsel inquiries since the 1978 law was passed: 19
- Number that have produced indictments: 7
- Number that produced more convictions than the Starr investigation: 1
- Median length of investigations that have led to convictions: 44 months
- Length of Starr-Ray investigation (7/00): 67 months.
- Number of Starr-Ray investigation convictions to date (including one governor, one associate attorney general and two Clinton business partners): 15
- Median cost per Starr investigation conviction: $3.5 million as of 3/00
- Total cost of the Starr investigation (3/00) $52 million
- Total cost of the Iran-Contra investigation: $48.5 million
- Total cost to taxpayers of the Madison Guarantee failure: $73 million
- Number of Clinton cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 5
- Number of Reagan cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 4
- Number of top officials jailed in the Teapot Dome Scandal: 3

CRIME STATS
- Number of individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes: 47
- Number of these convictions during Clinton's presidency: 33
- Number of indictments/misdemeanor charges: 61
- Number of imprisonments: 14
- Number of congressional witnesses who have pled the 5th Amendment, fled the country to avoid testifying, or (in the case of foreign witnesses) refused to be interviewed: 124

CAMPAIGN FINANCE INVESTIGATION
- As of June 2000, the Justice Department listed 25 people indicted and 19 convicted because of the 1996 Clinton-Gore fundraising scandals.
- According to the House Committee on Government Reform in September 2000, 79 House and Senate witnesses asserted the Fifth Amendment in the course of investigations into Gore's last fundraising campaign. [These figures are included in the larger figures elsewhere].
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James Riady entered a plea agreement to pay an $8.5 million fine for campaign finance crimes. This was a record under campaign finance laws.

STARR INVESTIGATION

- Number of Starr-Ray investigation convictions or guilty pleas to date (including one governor, one associate attorney general and two Clinton business partners): 15
- Number of Clinton Cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 5
- Number of Reagan cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 4
- Number of top officials jailed in the Teapot Dome Scandal: 3

SMALTZ INVESTIGATION
- Guilty pleas and convictions obtained by Donald Smaltz in cases involving charges of bribery and fraud against former Agriculture Secretary Espy and associated individuals and businesses: 15
- Acquitted or overturned cases (including Espy): 6
- Fines and penalties assessed: $11.5 million
- Cost of investigation: $22.2 million through 9/99
- Amount Tyson Food paid in fines and court costs: $6 million
- Amount Tyson Food still has in annual government contracts: $200 million
- Reasons individuals other than Espy were convicted or pled guilty: Concealing knowledge of gifts to Espy and his girlfriend (1), providing illegal gratuities to Espy(4), illegally supplementing the salary of a government official (2), concealing receipt of illegal funds on behalf of Espy (1) (Espy's chief of staff sentenced to prison in this case)

CRIMES FOR WHICH CONVICTIONS HAVE BEEN OBTAINED
Drug trafficking (3), racketeering, extortion, bribery(4), tax evasion, kickbacks, embezzlement (2), fraud (12), conspiracy (5), fraudulent loans, illegal gifts(1), illegal campaign contributions(5), money laundering (6)

POSSIBLE CRIMES AND SUSPICIOUS MATTERS INVESTIGATED BY SPECIAL PROSECUTORS, CONGRESS,
AND/OR INVESTIGATIVE REPORTERS

Bank and mail fraud, violations of campaign finance laws, illegal foreign campaign funding, improper exports of sensitive technology, physical violence and threats of violence, solicitation of perjury, intimidation of witnesses, bribery of witnesses, attempted intimidation of prosecutors, perjury before congressional committees, lying in statements to federal investigators and regulatory officials, flight of witnesses, obstruction of justice, bribery of cabinet members, real estate fraud, tax fraud, drug trafficking, failure to investigate drug trafficking, bribery of state officials, use of state police for personal purposes, exchange of promotions or benefits for sexual favors, using state police to provide false court testimony, laundering of drug money through a state agency, false reports by medical examiners and others investigating suspicious deaths, the firing of the RTC and FBI director when these agencies were investigating Clinton and his associates, failure to conduct autopsies in suspicious deaths, providing jobs in return for silence by witnesses, drug abuse, illegal acquisition and use of 900 FBI files, illegal futures trading, murder, sexual abuse of employees, false testimony before a federal judge, shredding of documents, withholding and concealment of subpoenaed documents, fabricated charges against (and improper firing of) White House employees, as well as providing access to the White House to drug traffickers, foreign agents and participants in organized crime.

UNEXPLAINED PHENOMENA
- FBI files misappropriated by the White House: c. 900
- Estimated number of witnesses quoted in FBI files misappropriated by the White House: 18,000
- Number of witnesses who developed medical problems at critical points in Clinton scandals investigation (Tucker, Hale, both McDougals, Lindsey): 5
- Problem areas listed in a memo by Clinton's own lawyer in preparation for the president's defense: 40
- Number of witnesses and critics of Clinton subjected to IRS audit: 45
- Number of names placed in a White House secret database without the knowledge of those named: c. 200,000
- Number of persons involved with Clinton who have been beaten up: 2
- Number of women involved with Clinton who claim to have been physically threatened (Sally Perdue, Gennifer Flowers, Kathleen Willey, Linda Tripp, Elizabeth Ward Gracen): 5
- Number of men involved in the Clinton scandals who have been beaten up or claimed to have been intimidated: 10

ARKANSAS SUDDEN DEATH SYNDROME
- Number of persons in the Clinton machine orbit who are alleged to have committed suicide: 9
- Number known to have been murdered: 12
- Number who died in plane crashes: 6
- Number who died in single car automobile accidents: 3
- Number killed during Waco massacre: 4
- Number of one-person sking fatalities: 1
- Number of key witnesses who have died of heart attacks while in federal custody under questionable circumstances: 1
- Number of medications being taken by Jim McDougal at the time he was placed in solitary confinement shortly before his death: 12
- Number of unexplained deaths: 4
- Total suspicious deaths: 46
- Number of northern Mafia killings during peak years of 1968-78: 30
- Number of Dixie Mafia killings during same period: 156

ARKANSAS ALZHEIMER'S
- Number of times Hillary Clinton said "I don't recall" or its equivalent in a statement to a House investigating committee: 50
- Number of paragraphs in this statement: 42
- Number of times Bill Clinton said "I don't recall" or its equivalent in the released portions of the his testimony on Paula Jones: 271
- Total number of facts or events not recalled before official bodies by Bill Kennedy, Harold Ickes, Ricki Seidman, Bruce Lindsey, Bill Burton, Mark Gearan, Mack McLarty, Neil Eggleston, John Podesta, Jennifer O'Connor, Dwight Holton, Patsy Thomasson, Jeff Eller, Beth Nolan, Cliff Sloan, Bernard Nussbaum, George Stephanopoulous, Roy Neel, Rahm Emanuel, Maggie Williams, David Tarbell, Susan Thomases, Webster Hubbell, Roger Altman, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton: 6,125
- Average occurrence of memory lapse by top administration figures while before official bodies: 235

ARKANSAS MONEY MANAGEMENT
- Amount of an alleged electronic transfer from the Arkansas Development Financial Authority to a bank in the Cayman Islands during 1980s: $50 million
- Grand Cayman's population: 18,000
- Number of commercial banks: 570
- Number of bank regulators: 1
- Amount Arkansas state pension fund invested in high-risk repos in the mid-80s in one purchase in April 1985: $52 million through the Worthen Bank.
- Number of days thereafter that the state's brokerage firm went belly up: 3
- Amount Arkansas pension fund dropped overnight as a result: 15%
- Percent of Worthen bank that Mochtar Riady bought over the next four months to bail out the bank and the then governor, Bill Clinton: 40%.
- Percent of purchasers from the Clintons and McDougals of resort lots who lost the land because of the sleazy financing provisions: over 50%

THE MEDIA
- Number of journalists covering Whitewater who have been fired, transferred off the beat, resigned or otherwise gotten into trouble because of their work on the scandals (Doug Frantz, Jim Wooten, Richard Behar, Christopher Ruddy, Michael Isikoff, David Eisenstadt, Yinh Chan, Jonathan Broder, James R. Norman, Zoh Hieronimus): 10

FRIENDS OF BILL
- Number of times John Huang took the 5th Amendment in answer to questions during a Judicial Watch deposition: 1,000
- Visits made to the White House by investigation subjects Johnny Chung, James Riady, John Huang, and Charlie Trie. 160
- Number of campaign contributors who got overnights at the White House in the two years before the 1996 election: 577
- Number of members of Thomas Boggs's law firm who have held top positions in the Clinton administration. 18
- Number of times John Huang was briefed by CIA: 37
- Number of calls Huang made from Commerce Department to Lippo banks: 261
- Number of intelligence reports Huang read while at Commerce: 500

POLITICAL FALL-OUT
- According to the National Conference of State Legislatures, Democrats held a 1,542 seat lead in the state bodies in 1990. As of November 2000 that lead had shrunk to 288. That's a loss of over 1,200 state legislative seats, nearly all of them under Clinton. Across the US, the Democrats controlled only 65 more state senate seats than the Republicans.

Further, in 1992, the Democrats controlled 17 more state legislatures than the Republicans. After November, the Republicans control one more than the Democrats. Not only was this a loss of 9 legislatures under Clinton, but it was the first time since 1954 that the GOP had controlled more state legislatures than the Democrats (they tied in 1968).

Here's what happened to the Democrats under Clinton:

- GOP seats gained in House since Clinton became president: 48
- GOP seats gained in Senate since Clinton became president: 8
- GOP governorships gained since Clinton became president: 11
- GOP state legislative seats gained since Clinton became president: 1,254
as of 1998
- State legislatures taken over by GOP since Clinton became president: 9
- Democrat officeholders who have become Republicans since Clinton became
president: 439 as of 1998
- Republican officeholders who have become Democrats since Clinton became president: 3

69 posted on 09/07/2002 3:50:00 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: Mich
Hey, there's nothing wrong with the pictures, seeing as Clinton is a traitor.
70 posted on 09/07/2002 3:50:42 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: Mich
New poster (or returning poster?)

Osama is missing in action and will never be found. To require inaction on any other targets until his body is located will needlessly cripple our hands.

Iraq is connected to terrorism. Saddam pays a fee to the families of suicide bombers. War On Terrorism, remember? There have been some connections tying 9/11 to Iraq (Atta in Prague among them). Would you rather strike at Saudi Arabia directly?

Clinton would be a traitor even if he didn't make this assinine statement that cuts at the authority of our current president.

No Saddam has not just suddenly become a "risk". Even Billy Jeff thought that we should be targeting Saddam back in 1998 (when he was in office).

If you truly believe that the hijackers lived, then you probably also believe the tinfoil theories of "McVeigh" types hijacking the planes, and the French conspiracy book about how no plane collided with the Pentagon.

Gbye, disruptor.

71 posted on 09/07/2002 3:50:48 PM PDT by weegee
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To: John Lenin
Clinton should be in jail, being that he committed so many crimes.
72 posted on 09/07/2002 3:53:39 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: FreedomFriend
I just read your BIO, your last paragraph does not fit what I read, maybe I incorrectly read one or the other. Then I say "age 25", you still have time to learn. Some great person once said when I was 25 I could not believe how stupid my father was, when I was 35 I could not beleive how much he learned in only 10 short years. Tom
73 posted on 09/07/2002 3:55:03 PM PDT by tall_tex
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To: Mich
Welcome to Free Republic, Mich, member since 2002-9-7. Just signed in to spew some DU bs?

seeing as 8 of the 20 alleged hijackers have now been found alive

Now where in THE hell did you get this bogus little factoid?

74 posted on 09/07/2002 3:55:13 PM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: weegee
There are some good questions to ask yourself. Why weren't the names of any middle eastern men on the passenger lists? Hey, I agree there were middle eastern men aboard. As far as the Pentagon pictures, though I'm not knowledgeable about the way a plane breaks up, they do bring a certain amount of suspicion into the argment.
75 posted on 09/07/2002 3:56:40 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: tall_tex
I never said that it was factual, but a lot of stuff that has occurred since September 11th do indicate that things may not be okay. TIPS, Patriot Act, "Homeland Security" speaking in vagueness-redefining the the different levels of government (federal, state, local)-talking about horizonal and vertical intergration of such through the fed, FEMA referring to Christians as terrorists, meanwhile the borders are wide-open, Bush is pushing for "Free Trade", and Osama is no-longer a concern?
77 posted on 09/07/2002 4:00:28 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: FreedomFriend
So Barbara Olsen is hiding out on some secret island then instead of promoting her book? R--ight.
78 posted on 09/07/2002 4:01:17 PM PDT by weegee
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To: Raymond Hendrix
Trouble is, x42 does not have the common sense or decorum to keep his mouth shut. He is a boastful, blowhard, depraved, nincumpoop who craves an audience 24/7/365. He cares not for America, he cares not for Americans, he cares only for his spot in the limelight at a moment in time.
He is a traitor of the worst kind because now that he is no longer occupying the whitehouse, he is traveling the world making disparaging statements of the country who is paying his pension. I cannot express the dislike I have for this dispicable piece of horsemanure.
79 posted on 09/07/2002 4:01:18 PM PDT by tillacum
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To: weegee
I don't think that she's alive. Who knows, though. I never said it was factual, only that the pictures revealed a need for questions.
80 posted on 09/07/2002 4:03:42 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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