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Home Invader Thwarted
Atlanta Journal & Constitution ^ | 9-6-02 | Staff

Posted on 09/06/2002 7:14:34 AM PDT by Nat Turner

Well folks so much for the anti-gun shill on "gun locks" and no guns for citizens....

by the way this is how we do it in the Peacthtree State :)


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; crime; guns; homeinvasion; lawenforcement
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To: uk_nomad
Lord, hon. To use a Texas expression, "I think you're too broke to fix!"

Dissect your own profile a little bit. Do you REALLY believe that way? The public schools are a joke BECAUSE of tolerance. They can't teach basics because of the social engineering built into the curriculum. I was in 5th grade in 1971, and we, admittedly, didn't know shit about Heather's two mommies, nor did we hang Kwanzaa decorations, but we could do algebra!

A finely tuned engine has to have some degree of tolerance built into the parts to work, but if you allow too much tolerance (read slop) into the system, it will tear itself apart. From your profile, again, I get that "tolerance" means "whatever the liberal wants to do."

You say you are willing to stand your ground (even though you majored in French, where I don't think they even have a phrase for that...but I digress), yet you bailed on America and went to England.

You can bemoan the "plight" of America, as is your right, but Britain faces its own major problems (remember the phrase from the Simpsons where the British guy is dressed like Napolean and says "I gets me brain medicines from the national 'ealth!") We continually hear how Britain, theologically is essentially "areligious", or virtually Godless. That bodes badly for their civilization.

You shoulda stayed in Austin. Scenery's better, the weather's better, music and food are WAY better, and you'd never hardly feel a repressed moment in those liberal environs.

You can call it "post consumer grass product" all day long, even in England, but bull$hit is still bull$hit.

61 posted on 09/06/2002 9:37:40 AM PDT by Treebeard
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To: okchemyst
I don't think moving to another place during youth in search of better living is anything unique. Plus I know several conservatives who in their younger days held similar socially liberal beliefs. A lot can happen between 27 & 37. There's not too many in the youner generation that I'd give up on just yet. Think David Horowitz.
62 posted on 09/06/2002 9:54:35 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat
You're probably right. I shouldn't respond to liberals while reading Ann Coulter and listening to Glenn Beck. :)
63 posted on 09/06/2002 9:57:04 AM PDT by Treebeard
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To: okchemyst
Doesn't Ann do an excellent job of making the messages clear? One of my favorite firebrand authors.

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64 posted on 09/06/2002 10:02:02 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: okchemyst
"Lord, hon. To use a Texas expression, "I think you're too broke to fix!"

It reminds me of that saying that no matter how good a woman looks, there's a guy out there tired of putting up with her Sh!t. This one had to leave the country to find someone that would put up with her. She's just an ignorant troll. I'm sorry we're even giving her the attention she's craving.

65 posted on 09/06/2002 10:05:59 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: dansangel; Diddle E. Squat
dansangel, I prefer the 1911A1 (although I recently went to the Sig P245 for carry), but the Beretta is a nice pistol.

"When it comes to crime, the east side of Austin seems like West Lake Hills when compared to south Atlanta."

Unfortunately for Stockbridge, although it's in Henry County it's sandwiched between and slightly south of two of the very worst neighborhoods in S. Atlanta (one of which I have to drive through almost daily), and it's along I-75. When crime spreads, it tends to spread along the interstates.

Even if "statistically speaking" there are no mean and nasty people in that rosy-tinted Utopia where our Anglophile friend has taken up residence (although the UK crime stats don't bear this out), there sure are a significant number of them around here. . . . in Atlanta, gun control capital of the South.

66 posted on 09/06/2002 10:34:39 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother
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To: AnAmericanMother; uk_nomad
We're all still waiting for you to explain your following statement:

and yes, I have been shot at before.

My initial question still stands: Since you brought it up, do tell! Let's hear about this experience(rubber bands and spitballs don't count). I for one would like some clarification on your statement here.

67 posted on 09/06/2002 10:48:49 AM PDT by Freemeorkillme
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To: uk_nomad
I too still want to know your opinion of the husband's actions. What do you find objectionable? What should he have done instead?
68 posted on 09/06/2002 10:52:56 AM PDT by calvin sun
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To: AnAmericanMother
I have a question for you. I'm thinking of going to a Glock 26 for carry. I love my Beretta, but loaded it tips the scales at nearly 3 lbs.

Where .45MAN and I go to practice, the range manager suggested the Glock. I have never owned a Glock. Between us, .45MAN and I have two Walther P99s, a Tanfoglio Witness, my Beretta and his Beretta Cougar 8045. I would love to hear what you have to say about the Sig P245.

Please FReepmail me!
69 posted on 09/06/2002 10:59:21 AM PDT by dansangel
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To: uk_nomad
burglars here are almost never armed, it's not really an issue

Ask yourself this:
Would a burglar/rapist/murderer have to be armed to harm you?

Would you need/like to be armed in order to stave off same burglar/rapist/murderer?

70 posted on 09/06/2002 11:13:12 AM PDT by MrB
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To: MrB
Plus you have the issue of "armed with WHAT"?

In the hands of an average size male assailant, a wide variety of common objects can become deadly weapons. Ball bats (or cricket bats over there, I guess), iron pipe, hammer, tire iron, butcher knife, chain, etc. etc. I remember a case where some low-life murdered his common law wife with a can of surplus government ham. . . . . (when canned hams are outlawed, only outlaws will have hams . . . ?)

71 posted on 09/06/2002 12:23:24 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother
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To: dansangel
I think you'll be surprised at the wide variety of information you'll receive if we throw this one out for public discussion . . . I decided against the (larger .45) Glock when I purchased the Sig, but there are many Glock fans who post here, and they ought to have their say . . . :-)

1. The Sig is a better "natural pointer" for me than the Glock. That however is a purely personal idiosyncrasy. Everybody's different. The only way to determine this for yourself is to shoot 'em both.

2. The little 26 doesn't have the squirrely decocking lever that the big Glocks have. It's double action all the time. So that's one less thing to worry about. Of course, you'll have to check the trigger pull. On the old Smith revolvers, for example, or my .455 Webley, DA is such a hard pull that it will swing your sight picture out of line.

3. I'm not a big fan of 9mm (always carried .45 except that in very hot summer weather I used to carry a .380 Walther PPK concealed, better something, even "9mm short", than nothing) so I have never inspected or tried out the 26. I would definitely "try before you buy" because this is a tiny pistol, so small you can't get your little finger on the grip, and I imagine the recoil is going to be significant (the recoil on my PPK is WORSE than the recoil from my Colt Lightweight Officer's Model).

Here's a review of the pistol from a lady:

Glock 26: A Lady's Point of View

She seems to indicate qualified approval, but note the difficulties with stovepipes and the magazine release. Neither of those is a good thing!

72 posted on 09/06/2002 12:42:13 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother
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To: AnAmericanMother
Yes, anything can be a weapon.

My point was that an average male assailant does not need to be armed (with anything) in order to cause deadly harm to the average female victim.

The female victim, on the other hand, deserves to be armed with the most effective means of self defense - and that's not a canned ham.

I have 8+ years of martial arts training, but I'm grabbing the glock if I need to confront an intruder.

73 posted on 09/06/2002 12:42:47 PM PDT by MrB
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To: MrB; uk_nomad
The female victim, on the other hand, deserves to be armed with the most effective means of self defense - and that's not a canned ham.

Because she could very well end up with some bad meat in the can.

74 posted on 09/06/2002 12:51:26 PM PDT by Wm Bach
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To: MrB
Very true, even an unarmed male can cause considerable harm to a female. I was commenting on her use of the term "armed", which she obviously feels is confined exclusively to firearms. Another indicator that she has no "real world" experience despite her little brag.

I'm glad to see that even with 8 years of training you agree with me that the glock (or in my case the 1911A1) is the way to go. With just a couple of years of aikido in a VERY traditional and strict dojo (they don't hand out kyus merely for time in grade), it's quite clear to me that you don't learn any "nifty martial arts techniques" just by your former boyfriend "showing" them to you. I was a fencer in college, so I'd probably be more inclined to grab a stick and exercise some "modified jo-waza" if I couldn't get to the 1911.

75 posted on 09/06/2002 1:01:34 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother
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To: AnAmericanMother
Thank-you for your impressions of the various pistols. Every bit of information helps. I'll be sure to check out the link you provided later after I'm home from work.

I held the 26 at the range (in their showroom) and found it disconcerting to not fit my little finger on the grip, but they showed me the clip with the extender. I would definitely get that.

I was thinking I would try a Glock with a similar trigger action that they have for rent there. What attracted me most was the size and heft - or lack thereof. I know there are more accurate guns, but I'm not looking to win any competitions. I just want to be able to defend myself in a "situation."

My Walther P99 is perfect size and weight for carry because it's all composite, but for some reason I'm not convinced that its double action is safety enough for carrying concealed in a handbag that takes a lot of jostling. .45MAN seems to think it would be fine, but carrying in a holster and carrying in a handbag make for two completely different situations. (IMHO)

At any rate, we'll be at the N. Atlanta Trade Ctr. next weekend for the Gun Show. I'll be able to at least "touch" and mentally review some possibilities.

Thanks again!
76 posted on 09/06/2002 1:04:16 PM PDT by dansangel
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To: uk_nomad
When I was grabbed on the street in America, I bit my assailant on the arm, then pinned him against the wall and broke his other arm. An ex-boyfriend of mine taught me some pretty cool self-defense moves. After I broke his arm I punched him in the ear. He was too wounded to chase me.

What you may not have learned yet about your new country is that if this precise scenario had occurred in Britain instead of in America, you would get a longer sentence than the rapist if the police ever found out. Self-defense, even not involving a gun, is considered unsporting there.

77 posted on 09/06/2002 1:17:11 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: calvin sun
Let's get back to the matter at hand. What would you have advised the Georgia husband to do when the gentleman invaded their home?

Proper British procedure would be for the family's surviving next-of-kin to file a human rights protest with the authorities in Brussels, then write a scathing letter to the Guardian about the inadequacy of police protection in that part of town.

79 posted on 09/06/2002 1:23:08 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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