[Grampa Dave]

So are we witnessing a little revising of history here to get the total area burned/burning of the Biscuit Fire down below 500,000 acres?

Naah, the Card Carrying Green Enviros who sit on their Keysters and play Florist Circus Klowns, would never do that.

[Grampa Dave]

This is the Oregon is still burning thread for today. I didn't get one as I spent the morning on another thread and then went fishing. This is the thread that a lot of you are aware, and others may not be: (Link to Thread where Grampa Dave was yesterday)

[Grampa Dave]

Good morning! Fyi! Oregon is still burning and we may be seeing some re defining the size of the Biscuit Fire.

[Grampa Dave]

Gentlemen, I thought that you might be interested in possibly something new from the left wingers in the Floristry Service.

I know that it will come as a shock to you. This may be some lefty revising of reality.

Jeff, you know the left would never revise history.

[Granof8]

KURY radio this morning reports the containment date has been rolled back to September 4 because of activity on the fire. There is still a spike camp at the Gardner Ranch although the Wilderness Retreat area is off the pre-evac notice this morning.

[Granof8]

FORD SORRY FOR DONATION
CURRY COASTAL PILOT
Published: August 28, 2002
The regional manager of Ford Motor Co. sales met with Brookings-Harbor officials Tuesday to apologize for a $5 million contribution the firm made to the Audubon Society.
"We thought we were putting money toward bird watching," said Larry Gregorson, head of Ford's sales division in the Pacific Northwest. "We ended up making a contribution that was not considerate of our base of customers."
The session with Gregorson was organized by Les Walker, owner of the Brookings-Harbor Ford dealership, and Bill Ferry, spokesman for the Rural Resources Alliance, which is being organized among the timber, farming and fishing industries.
Attending were nearly 20 representatives of the Port of Brookings Harbor, Brookings-Harbor Chamber of Commerce, City of Brookings and a few fishermen and farmers.
When Port Manager Russ Crabtree said he knew of five commercial fishermen who planned to switch from Ford trucks to other brands, Gregorson acknowledged the problem.
"We know we made a mistake, and we're owning up to that," he said. "We're trying to repair the damage and we don't want it to happen again."
Gregorson told them the controversial donation from the company's Ford Fund provoked an outcry from Ford's customers in the natural resource industries. That, in turn, has resulted in major changes in the way the firm considers donations in the future.
"You who use Ford trucks are the backbone of our base of customers," Gregorson said. "To have done something that offended our customers was unacceptable."
Instead of dwelling on the Audubon donation, he pointed instead to contributions the Ford Fund does make to rural-based programs, including Future Farmers of America for high school youth, a program called Provider Pals educating urban youth about natural resource industries, and Ford Country Scholars to provide college scholarships in rural areas of 11 states.
In the wake of the contribution, Gregorson said the sales division is now involved in decisions on Ford Fund contributions, relying in turn on information from dealers.
Local officials told Gregorson about what they called the ongoing attack on natural resource industries by some environmental groups like the Audubon Society.
Transferred last March from Philadelphia to Seattle, Gregorson told them "the whole natural resource thing is not big in the media in the Northeast or the Midwest. ... Until you get to the Northwest, you really don't understand the problem."
And, he warned, Ford has to be careful about alienating other customers with its donations or positions.
"The same groups attacking you are attacking us," he explained. "It's why we look primarily at education. It's the root of the problem; it's lack of understanding and lack of communication that cause the problem."
Walker praised Gregorson for coming to Brookings and urged area residents to spend less energy on small local arguments so that they have more resources for the larger lobbying effort that is necessary. "If we just take this little group here, we've got a start."
"The best thing you can do is keep me apprised," Gregorson told the group. "Your view needs to be brought up and it needs to be counted."

[Salvation]

Bump to the top!

[Carry_Okie]

A downward revision of 288 acres is news?

A 0.06% change?

Somebody got paid our tax money to run the numbers again, write a press release, contact the reporters, and for what?

[madfly]

Grampa Dave ping!

[Grampa Dave]

This bump is for you!

[Grampa Dave]

While Oregon is still burning and the green card carrying floristry circus klowns are recalculating the size of the Biscuit fire to make it smaller than 500,000 acres, across our country the Green Watermelons are trying to rural cleanse Floriduh.

Please go to this link to see what is happening and how Americans and Freepers are fighting rural cleansing by the Greens who hate America/Americans in Floriduh: (Link to the latest in the battle in Floriduh against Rural Cleansing and land grabs by the Green Thugs)

[Granof8]

Bush administration takes up review of landmark environmental law


By Matthew Daly, Associated Press Writer


WASHINGTON -- The Bush administration is reviewing a landmark environmental law both reviled and praised because it requires lengthy studies before foresters cut a tree or developers start to dig.

White House officials say they want to modernize the 32-year-old law they blame for bureaucratic gridlock, but environmentalists fear it's a move to roll back crucial protections.

"Given this administration's past record on the environment, it's hard to imagine they are up to any good," said Maria Weidner of Earthjustice, an environmental law firm and advocacy group.

At issue is the National Environmental Policy Act, or NEPA. Signed by President Nixon in 1970, the law requires developers, loggers and others to describe in detail the impact a proposed project will have on the environment and come up with measures to minimize them.

A typical environmental impact statement includes detailed analysis by several federal agencies and extensive public comment.

Environmentalists consider it a fundamental law and rely on it to limit development on public land and block projects that threaten endangered species, including the spotted owl and steelhead trout.

But critics say the law has burgeoned into a swamp of regulations and logistical hoops that stall business projects for years at a time.

"The simple fact is, (NEPA) has been used and abused by those who want to obstruct activities" such as logging in national forests, said Chris West, vice president of the American Forest Resource Council, a timber industry group.

"As more and more agencies can weigh in and make stipulations and requirements, the process in many cases has become much more costly and has proved to be an obstacle to development," said Darren McKinney, spokesman for the National Association of Manufacturers.

The review was launched last month by the White House Council on Environmental Quality, which says the law needs to be updated after three decades of being essentially unchanged. A nine-member task force is accepting public comment through Sept. 23 and expects to issue a report by early next year.

"We're not out to gut" the law, task force director Horst Greczmiel said. "We're out there to try to make it better. In common parlance, we want to cut the fat if there's fat out there and we want to beef up the beef."

Environmentalists are not convinced. They point to the president's Aug. 22 proposal to step up logging in national forests to prevent wildfires as an example of the kind of changes the administration wants to pursue under a watered-down NEPA. A key element of the plan would make it more difficult for environmentalists to appeal federal decisions that allow logging.

Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D., pushed a similar measure in July to exempt some logging in his home state from the law to prevent wildfires. Republicans are seizing on Daschle's maneuver to underscore the need for change. (snip)


But some Western lawmakers call the review long overdue.

Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho, said he hopes the task force "will bring some sanity and common sense back to the process." Environmental review has "come to represent nothing but gridlock in the West," he added. (snip)

[Archie Bunker on steroids]

Today's figures still show the fire under half a mill - even though the fire jumped the line in several places yesterday. I guess those will be counted as something else.

The liberals are already planning to use the environment as the 2002/4 battleground - its easy to get an emotional response from the intellectually vulnerable dems. The economy/enviro will be the 1- 2 punch. I can't turn on PBS, or the news without some hit piece related to the environment - the stage is being set.

Bush should show how the nutty enviro policies of the last 8 years has contributed to some of the economic downturn. I think this will be easy to counter- real people have been driven off their land for the watermelons. Even soccer moms will have trouble putting an owl over a farmer.