As they say in Kentucky; "Cymru am bith".

News Wales (UK) ^ | 8/26/02 | Unknown

[blam]

Was America A Phoenician Colony?

[RightWhale]

Oh, two voyages 588 years apart. They don't build Madocs like that anymore either.

[LostTribe]

> the fact that Madoc sailed to America not in the 6th century, but in the 12th century, around the year 1122, in a ship called the Gwennan Gorn, along with nine other ships.

Were they using maps from the Viking AAA? {ggg}.

[LostTribe]

>the alphabet and language written (Celtic), and by what the message said. It was Christian, and told them how to calculate the dates for Christmas, and told of Christ's having been born of a virgin at Bethlehem.

That's very interesting. Wonder where they picked that up? The Celts were of course VERY well established all throughout Western and NW Europe and Britain by the time of Jesus. Could have migrated to America from any of those European countries, not just Britain or Wales (as their Chambers of Commerce would love for us to believe.)

[LostTribe]

>Farley Mowat in Farfarer the original settlers of Iceland, Greenland and North America were the pre-Celtic inhabitants of Scotland who predated the Vikings by several hundred years

Do you have a tighter date than that? Technically, the pre-Celts were either (1) Israelites who left Egypt by sea prior to the overland Exodus, or (2) Israelites who left Moses merry band after the overland Exodus but prior to the Assyrian Captivity of the Northern Kingdom ~922 BC. That would be almost 2,000 years before the Vikings discovered America.

However the many different and dispersed Celtic tribes had lots of time between their appearance at the same time and place the Northern Kingdom (Lost Tribes of Israel) appeared in history ~610 BC, and the time of the Vikings.

(For readers unfamiliar with Celtic history, please click on my LostTribe Profile below and check out the 3-MINUTE HISTORY.)

[LostTribe]

>looks a lot like some of his Welsh immigrant patients who are working here. I just thought that was very interesting.

It is very interesting. The Brits make a big thing about the "darker and smaller" people seen around Cornwall, Wales and Brittainy as being Celts.

I checked this out when I was there studying Celtic History at Oxford. Someone had studied the subject and detemined these people were simply the result of some intermixing with survivors the very many Mediterranean based shipwrecks off Penzance, the Isles of Scilly, and the British and French western seacoasts in general.

(BTW, only some British based Celtic scholars insist these people are the only Celts in Britain. The far larger Celtic communities in continental Europe do not see eye to eye with the Brits on many things Celtic. Not even the Irish agree with the Brits, for the Irish do not look like these residents of Cornwall and Wales, some from Isle of Man, etc. When I was at Trinity College Dublin studing the Celts, if you ask the man on the street the meaning of "Celtic" you often hear "Catholic". As in the Holy Celtic Church of Ireland. {ggg}. )

[Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy]

Rubbish. The pre-Celts were simply the population of Western Europe that was living in Western Europe prior to the invasions of the Celts. The Basques, for instance, are pre-Celtic; their language in fact is non-Indo-European, and not related to any other living language. The pre-Celts were living in Western Europe for tens of thousands of years before there was any such thing called "Israel" or "Jews". There was no migration of "lost tribes" of Jews into Western Europe; pre-celts, in fact, are far too early, whilst celts and other Indo-Europeans are too well documented as being from Europe, not the middle east.

[Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy]

It is very interesting. The Brits make a big thing about the "darker and smaller" people seen around Cornwall, Wales and Brittainy as being Celts.

I checked this out when I was there studying Celtic History at Oxford. Someone had studied the subject and detemined these people were simply the result of some intermixing with survivors the very many Mediterranean based shipwrecks off Penzance, the Isles of Scilly, and the British and French western seacoasts in general.

Their is no need to resort to fanciful shipwrecks; in fact "mediterranean" whites have been living in Western Europe since the ice ages. These "smaller and darker" people are actually pre-Celtic, not Celtic; they simply happened to have hung on to the language of their earlier Celtic conquerors. Their original pre-Celtic languages are now completely lost to history.

[LostTribe]

>Rubbish...There was no migration of "lost tribes" of Jews into Western Europe;

Of course not, and nowhere did I say that. And if you bother to read before you speak you won't look so silly.

Please click on my LostTribe profile first, then take 3 minutes to read the 3-MINUTE HISTORY and come up to speed. When you return we can continue discussing the Celts on an intellectual level.

[crystalk]

These were Irish monks, sometimes called CD's or culdees, or celi dei. Perhaps the legend of St Brendan has behind it, a variety of the sights and sounds experienced by these seekers of solitary hermitage on rocks in the isolated ocean.

In the story of course, Brendan does in the end reach a continent. He travels inland in a lovely verdant land for 40 days, and reaches the bank of a mighty river flowing westward, onward, but there meets a young man who gives him a poor report of things, so he returns to the coast and sails back to Ireland.

[crystalk]

With the collapse of the mighty rebellion of the Jews against Rome under the false messiah Shimon bar-Kokhba, lived cAD 70-135, rebellion consummated in a flurry 132-135 AD ...many very diehard Jews tried to escape into remote lands, and millions of Jews were murdered just as in the early years of the rebellion they had murdered millions of Gentiles.

The coins of Bar-Kokhba were considered unclean and Jews were ordered to destroy them, and the Temple he established is not counted, ie the Second Temple was destroyed in AD 70, but the one to come soon is the Third Temple, not the Fourth, since Bar-Kokhba is not in good odour even yet.

Anyway, as a result, more than half of the Bar Kokhba coins found in the world have been found in Tennessee, Kentucky, and Georgia. These people probably fled Jerusalem and Betar so early, that they never learned of the rabbinical orders to destroy them.

The pioneer American Scots-Irish farmers who found the coins could hardly have faked them; a few diehards did come here.

[LostTribe]

>...as a result, more than half of the Bar Kokhba coins found in the world have been found in Tennessee, Kentucky, and Georgia.

Thanks! That's very interesting.

[Spirited]

Deep thanks for this post. It adds another building block in the wall of truth which is being set up by Yahweh to bring the "missing tribes" (to whom Jesus sent the apostles) to the awareness of who and where they are.

[William Terrell]

Where did the Western Europe populaton come from? You reckon the Flood missed them?

[CholeraJoe]

Mowat places the settlement of Iceland at 640 AD, Greenland about 50 years later and North America at about 750AD. These were indigenous people inhabiting the Shetlands and Orkneys since 1500 BCE who were eventually driven out by Celts. I don't buy the lost tribe stuff. The ancient world was settled by the survivors of Atlantis.

[LostTribe]

> The ancient world was settled by the survivors of Atlantis.

Right, they originally came here to refuel their flying saucers. {ggg}.

[William Terrell]

Note: When he talks about Atlantis, he's talking 40,000 years ago.

[LostTribe]

>When he talks about Atlantis, he's talking 40,000 years ago.

Wonder how they made it through the flood, to be "driven out by the Celts"? {ggg}.

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