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AUTOPSY AND INVESTIGATIVE REPORTS ON THE DEATH OF CHIEF NEGOTIATOR
08/23/02 | Harris County Medical Examiner's Office, Houston Fire Department Fire/Arson Investigations

Posted on 08/25/2002 5:31:16 PM PDT by COB1

About three months ago, under the advice of the Texas Attorney General's office, I wrote a registered letter to Joyce M. Carter of the Medical Examiner's Office of Harris County in Houston, Texas, requesting the coroner's report on Herbert Paul Meadows, known to us as CHIEF Negotiator, who died in a fire at his house on October 4, 2001.

That report along with the Houston Fire Department's report on the investigation of that fire has finally arrived.

Without going into the technical aspects of the autopsy report, CHIEF Negotiator's death was ruled as accidental due to smoke inhalation.

NOW FOR THE REST OF THE STORY:

From the Arson Bureau's report:

"The fire originated at floor level approximately 4 feet west of the east wall adjacent to the south wall in the formal dining area. At this point the sheetrock on the south wall shows calcination along the south wall approximately 6 feet in length in the area below the southeast window. This suggests an area of intense burning and high heat.
The wood wall base trim at the area of origin was deeply charred by the fire. A wooden dining set of 4 wooden chairs and a wooden table were almost completely consumed by the fire. Small charred pieces of the table and chairs were all that remained.
The fire was very intense in the dining room area and spread to the adjacent rooms to the east, west and north. These rooms sustained high heat and fire damage from the fire spread. The fire consumed wooden doors separating the dining room from the kitchen and family room. Burn patterns were consistent with a fire moving from the dining room area into the adjacent rooms."

These next pics I took through the window shown by the arrow:

Continuing with the Arson Bureau's report:

"Investigators observed that the north side garage entry door was kicked open and that a partial shoe print was found on the door. This investigator was unable to determine if the door was forced by firefighters or was forced prior to the fire."[italics and bold mine]

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"Captain ------ of L-36 told Investigator ------ that he found the deceased Herbert Paul Meadows lying in a fetal position, with his head against the west wall in the bathroom near the den. Firefighters dragged the victim to the driveway where he was pronounced dead by paramedics of Squad 40."

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"Engineer ------- of L-36 reported that he observed two tripped electrical breakers when he shut off the electrical power."

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Investigator ------- went to St. Lukes Emergency Room to interview --------(Mrs.) Meadows who is the wife of the deceased. --------(Mrs.) Meadows was transported by H.F.D. ambulance after the fire. -------(Mrs.) Meadows was treated for smoke inhalation and had been medicated by the hospital but she was able to relate details of the fire.
(Mrs.) Meadows told investigators that she and her husband Herbert watched a late night T.V. show and then she had went to bed while her husband Herbert had went into the den to work on the computer.
Mrs. Meadows stated that she was in bed about 10 minutes as was not asleep when she heard a 'noise or crash'. Mrs. Meadows said the sound 'was like something going through a window'. These sounds came from the other side of the house where her husband was working. This sound was followed by loud screams. (sic)'Was like something going through a window!' She described the sounds made by her husband as 'like I never heard him scream in my life!'
-----(Mrs.) Meadows reported she ran down the hall toward the dining area and was stopped by the thick black smoke in the kitchen area. ----- (Mrs. Meadows) yelled at her husband and asked him if (sic) see needed to call '911'! (Mrs. Meadows) stated that she heard a 'muffled' 'yes!' and then lost contact with Herbert Meadows. (Mrs. Meadows) told investigator that she smelled a 'bar-b-que' type odor like 'when you light a fire with charcoal lighter fluid'. (Mrs. Meadows) attempted to call for help on a phone in the house but she reported the phone was dead. (sic) Meadows went outside in the front yard and yelled for help.

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From notes of the Harris County Medical Examiner's Office:

"Arson inv. reveals no..(crossed out).. flammable fluids"
"The investigators.. (crossed out).. smelled gas at scene"
"Not sure if they are ruling arson or not"


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KEYWORDS: autopsyreport; chiefnegotiator; freepermurder; investigation; rip; taxreform; usmc
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To: COB1
CHIEF Negotiator's death was ruled as accidental due to smoke inhalation.

Thanks for the report, Cob. I still have a hard time believing that his death was accidental.

21 posted on 08/25/2002 5:49:50 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: COB1
Thank you so much for the report. Something definitely smells here... wonder if we'll ever find out the truth.
22 posted on 08/25/2002 5:49:58 PM PDT by goodieD
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To: COB1
Thanks for the update. Still miss the Chief. One of the first screen names I remember.

It just doesn't add up.

23 posted on 08/25/2002 5:51:18 PM PDT by Molly Pitcher
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To: COB1; larryjohnson; Snow Bunny; LadyX; Billie; Scuttlebutt; razorback-bert; beowolf; MistyCA; ...
*** sad bump ***
24 posted on 08/25/2002 5:52:36 PM PDT by ofMagog
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To: COB1; GummyIII
Thank you for the update..


25 posted on 08/25/2002 5:53:09 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: COB1
What's the status on the neighbor?
26 posted on 08/25/2002 5:54:30 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: COB1
COB1, thanks for the report even though it's very sad to read. Also, it's unfortunate that there are some questions still unanswered.
27 posted on 08/25/2002 5:55:06 PM PDT by The Thin Man
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To: MissAmericanPie
"Were there no head injuries listed in the autopsy report?"

From the report:

"There no scalp or subgaleal hemorrages noted.

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There is marked singeing with reddish discoloration of the hair, predominately on the lateral aspects of the head.
There is patchy sloughing of the hair of the inferolateral right occipital region and the right posterior parietooccipital region.
The inferior left occipital scalp has scalp sloughing with exposed red-brown dermis."

28 posted on 08/25/2002 5:55:31 PM PDT by COB1
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To: Carry_Okie
I still don't know what to think. I recall an earlier report that the television was a possible ignition source, but unless it was in Dining Room, that seems unlikely. Whatever it was caught Chief by surprise, and the smoke was so intense that he quickly got disoriented.

A firebomb would not have gone off directly inside the wall of the dining room. It would have been against the far wall or center, at the very least.

But this still doesn't seem like it should be that hard to solve. What could possibly have been an ignition source against that Dining Room wall?

29 posted on 08/25/2002 5:56:54 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: COB1
Bump!
30 posted on 08/25/2002 5:57:25 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: ru4liberty
"Does this mean case not entirely closed?"

Ru, the notes I posted were made before this report came out, by the Medical Examiner's Office.
As far as I know, this is it as far as the investigation goes.
There is still no cause of fire in the report!

31 posted on 08/25/2002 5:59:31 PM PDT by COB1
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To: ex-Texan
Thanks for sharing your story.

I didn't know him as well as you did... I respected him very much. Hearing about what happened was such a shock..
32 posted on 08/25/2002 6:00:23 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: COB1
A BTT for the Chief.

Peace. Pipe.

33 posted on 08/25/2002 6:02:48 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: COB1
Does the fire report say anything about a short in the wiring, or signs of an accelerant?
34 posted on 08/25/2002 6:04:22 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: COB1; Alamo-Girl; Yellow Rose of Texas
Thanks.

Salute

Chief :`-{
35 posted on 08/25/2002 6:05:17 PM PDT by amom
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To: COB1
Thx for the update. My wife was asking about Chief N just this week and wondered if anything was ever resolved.

It looks like a poor job of investigating since even non professionals can see evidence of use of a petroleum based fluid to accelerate the flames.
Does anyone know the background of the neighbor that was mentioned early on? This is sad.

36 posted on 08/25/2002 6:06:53 PM PDT by zip
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To: COB1
What is your conclusion based on this information?
37 posted on 08/25/2002 6:07:16 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: cricket
"Do you know if there was a bathroom window?"

Cricket, here's a view of the back of the house and that door that was kicked open, but it doesn't go back far enough to see if the bathroom has a window:


38 posted on 08/25/2002 6:07:47 PM PDT by COB1
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To: COB1
Thank you, Cob
39 posted on 08/25/2002 6:09:42 PM PDT by carenot
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To: LibKill
Looks more like an electrical fire, overheated wires, circuits, or appliance(s).

The breaker might not have tripped in time to prevent fire from an overloaded circuit or electrical fault in an appliance. The breaker eventually tripped, but the wiring or appliance could have been hot enough to ignite or had already ignited because.

Ask Mrs CN if the breakers tripped often. If this happened a lot, the circuits were chronically overloaded and they could have been damaged over time.


Any appliance on the tripped circuits that was in the area would be suspect. Without a wiring diagram its impossible to do anything but speculate, but a TV, a water heater, a dryer, anything that drew current from wires that went through the dining room is suspect.

I'm thinking Herb maybe caught fire or was burned, and he rushed to the bathroom ...only to be overcome by smoke.




40 posted on 08/25/2002 6:10:18 PM PDT by SarahW
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