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Oregon Coastal air helps slow advance of western flank of Biscuit Fire, giving residents hope
Oregon Live/ AP ^ | 8/14/02 3:44 AM | Jeff Barnard

Posted on 08/14/2002 8:51:30 AM PDT by Grampa Dave

Coastal air helps slow advance of western flank of Biscuit Fire, giving residents hope

By JEFF BARNARD, The Associated Press, 8/14/02 3:44 AM

BROOKINGS, Ore. -- Hot weather made life miserable for firefighters on the eastern flanks of the Biscuit fire, but moist marine air on the western side helped a small outback subdivision under an evacuation advisory.

"I don't think it will get here," Incident Commander Kim Martin said Tuesday while briefing a dozen residents of the Wilderness Retreat subdivision, located about 12 miles east of Brookings on the Chetco River. They stood in the shade of some fir trees and looked at a map of the fire burning on about 380,000 acres of the Siskiyou National Forest and adjacent lands in southwestern Oregon and northern California.

"I believe him," said Mark Steele, a highway flagger and woodcutter who has moved most of his furniture and other belongings out of his home. "Hopefully, the lines will hold."

The fire has been burning for a month since a lighting strike ignited it deep in the Kalmiopsis Wilderness. With 6,300 people assembled from around the country, as well as Canada, New Zealand and Australia, the fire has cost $52,450,000 to fight so far.

The fire was 26 percent contained, with the most secure lines on the eastern and southern flanks. The threat to the 17,000 residents of the Illinois Valley continued to diminish, but an evacuation notice remained in effect warning people to be ready to leave.

Firefighters suffered through temperatures over 100 degrees on the eastern and northern flanks of the fire, where the fire moved up Indigo Creek closer to Bear Camp Road, the primary shuttle route for whitewater rafters on the wild and scenic section of the Rogue River.

"The heat makes it hard for the firefighters to work," said fire spokesman Tom Valluzzi. "They've got to carry twice as much water and take twice as many breaks. It's miserable."

On the northwestern flank, the fire slopped over containment lines and burned down the historical Snow Camp Mountain Lookout. Martin said a falling ember got inside the fireproof aluminum-coated fabric wrapped around the one-room structure to protect it.

"An era has passed," said fire spokeswoman Susan Mathison. "This is a great loss to the Siskiyou National Forest."

The mountaintop overlooking the Pistol River and the Kalmiopsis Wilderness was first used to spot fires in 1924, and a lookout stationed there during World War II witnessed a Japanese airplane that had been launched from a submarine drop a bomb in a failed attempt to ignite a forest fire. The most recent structure was built in 1959, and retired from service in 1972. It has been rented out to the public since 1990 and was the subject of a book.

On the northern edge of the fire, the Rogue River Canyon hamlet of Agness remained on evacuation alert, but the fire was still several miles away, Mathison said.

Now that firefighters are ready to begin burning out the network of logging roads, bulldozer lines and ridgetops standing in the way of the fire's western edge, the marine air has made ignition more difficult, just as similar conditions did last week on the eastern flank, Martin said. Hotshot crews setting the burnout fires have turned from working at night to working in daylight, when the fires will ignite more easily.

"We don't have this line totally secure yet," Martin said. "We haven't done any burnout."

Elsewhere, the Tiller complex of fires east of Roseburg, burning over 44,000 acres, remained a big concern to firefighters. It was about 40 percent contained.

TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: biscuitfire; christines; greenjihadists; kalmiopsisburning; oregonisburning; ruralcleansing
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The evacuation notice for the entire Illinois Valley has been downgraded from an 8 hour notice to 12 hours.

The Curry County Sheriff has issued a pre-evacuation notice for residents of Agness, Illahe, Oak Flats north of the fire and the Wilderness Retreat areas northeast of Brookings and the Gardner Ranch area in the upper Pistol River drainage. Residents should be prepared to evacuate if notified.

The Rogue River is currently open and no closures are in effect. However, officials are alerting all river users of the possible closure between Graves Creek and Agness if the fire continues to move toward the river. Click here for more information on road and trail closures.

Residents of the northern California community of Gasquet were notified to evacuate late Thursday, August 8th. The evacuation notice was lifted Saturday, August 10.

21 posted on 08/14/2002 11:47:34 AM PDT by madfly
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To: bray
dead deer and elk

Not to mention the millions of fish that will die from erosion this year.


22 posted on 08/14/2002 11:47:49 AM PDT by EBUCK
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To: Grampa Dave
Man it was hot here on the coast yesterday had to go to Safeway to find air conditioning in our little town of Newport. I am sure Safeway jacked up prices for the day on easy to cook stuff. I saw a bag of chips for close to 4 bucks a bag and sandwhich makings were not cheap either.
It is much cooler today I hope it helps get these fires under control.
23 posted on 08/14/2002 11:53:10 AM PDT by oceanperch
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To: Grampa Dave
Information Collected @
08/13/02 @ 8:30 p.m. PST

Location: 26 miles southwest of Grants Pass, Oregon

Lat: 42° 24' 46"
Long: 123° 52' 14"

Date of Origin: 7/13/02, reported at 12 AM

Size: 390,276 acres

Cause: Lightning

Contained: 26%

Containment Date: None Estimated

Structures Threatened:
Residences: 4,019
Commercial: 250

Structures Lost:
Residences: 4
Commercial: 0
Outbuildings: 9

Resources Threatened:
Towns of Cave Junction, Kerby, Selma, Agness, Gardner Ranch, Brookings and adjacent areas.

Private inholdings east of McCaleb Ranch.

Power line serving Gasquet, Hiouchi, Crescent City, and Klamath.

Industrial timberlands and Late- Successional Reserves.

Threatened, Endangered, and Sensitive fish, plants and animals.

Illinois, Rogue, and Smith National Wild and Scenic Rivers.

North Fork Smith Botanical Area and Port Orford Cedars.

Personnel Assigned:
6,383 personnel

Injuries: 2 broken ankles, 1 bee sting reaction, and cases of heat exhaustion have been reported.

Equipment Assigned:
Type I: 49
Type II: 125
Camp Crews: 23
Type I: 16
Type II: 12
Type III:12
Engines: 202
Dozers: 120

Cost to Date: $56,400,000

Observed Fire Behavior:

Zone I:
The fire continues to advance up Indigo Creek on the north end. It is predicted to reach Bear Camp Road no earlier than Monday, August 19th. Interior islands are actively burning. The fire is becoming more active in the northern most portion. 

Zone 2:
The fire activity was low due to containment lines keeping the fire from getting into new fuel sources. The fire was smoldering with moderate fire activity and occasional torching within the unburned interior.

Zone 3:
The fire continues to back down-slope on the west side to the Chetco River. With the air clearing slightly, the fire activity increased. 

Zone 4: There was moderate to extreme fire behavior throughout the day. The zone continued to experience spotting due to the afternoon weather conditions, steep terrain, and heavy fuels.

Current Weather Conditions: Wednesday
Wind Speed: 2-15 MPH
Wind Direction: Variable
Temperature: 90-102°
Relative Humidity: 12-22%

24 posted on 08/14/2002 11:55:24 AM PDT by madfly
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Well, Watermelon Ba$tards is what they are!

Green on the outside, Red on the inside, and of indeterminate parentage.

Stop Rural Cleansing!

Great work on the graphics, btw. ;^)
25 posted on 08/14/2002 11:59:14 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: Grampa Dave
Stop the attacks by the watermelon bastards and the wacko, extreme left-wing, enviro-nazis terrorist's on our Freedoms !!

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

Molon Labe !!

26 posted on 08/14/2002 4:02:54 PM PDT by blackie
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To: Archie Bunker on steroids; Grampa Dave; madfly; EBUCK; Granof8
"More than a dozen cities in the western part of the state set records, including Portland, which declared an "orange" air pollution warning because of high ozone levels.

The air quality warnings mean that state officials expect high temperatures and low-level winds, which mix with auto exhaust and other pollutants to create high levels of smog."

Lars Larson proved today that this orange alert should not have been issued. The air quality here was fine (we actually had a "green" day) and they knew it would be fine by 7 AM yesterday morning. This was just another lie to get people to ride the bus and lightrail, make the asthmatics worry, and to add credance to their claim that we need to "get out of our cars". Pffft!

Great bump, EBUCK!

27 posted on 08/14/2002 4:24:42 PM PDT by dixiechick2000
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To: blackie
A little cooler today, huh?;o)
28 posted on 08/14/2002 4:25:18 PM PDT by dixiechick2000
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To: dixiechick2000; Grampa Dave
OR fire grows


CAVE JUNCTION, Ore. (August 14, 2002)
What's being called the biggest fire in Oregon's history is slowly growing. The Biscuit Fire -- in the Kalmiopsis Wilderness area of the Kiskiyou National Forest -- grew 17,411 acres since Tuesday. The flames were sparked July 13 by lightning.

full text @ Disaster News Network: Current News

29 posted on 08/14/2002 6:58:21 PM PDT by madfly
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To: madfly
You might check out the fires in Wash. Heard on the Seattle TV, there are three new ones, Wenatchee National Forest, one around Naches, and did'nt catch the other. Wenatchee is 300 acres.
30 posted on 08/14/2002 7:12:34 PM PDT by calawah98
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To: madfly; Grampa Dave; Archie Bunker on steroids; blackie
I saw the maps, charts on this thread and I believe there are 2 new fires in the area. The so called "Antelope" which looks like a nuclear cloud rising behind the nearest mountains to me...about 5-10 miles east away. Then there is another burning near the Dead Indian, south east of me about 15 miles. UNLESS they are calling it the same fire as Antelope. The way our local news put it they were calling them separate new fires. Now..the second is near Ashland....I'm trying to remember where Andy Kerr's property is. Some people really need their collective asses kicked over this.
31 posted on 08/14/2002 8:09:10 PM PDT by AuntB
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To: dixiechick2000
That one "asthmatic" lady was sure twisted wasn't she?? I'm surprised she didn't ask for the city of Portland to build her a bubble.

The really odd thing about it is the air is SO horrible down here and I don't think they've called it an "orange day yet. People are suffering. The birds are all gone. I hate it.

Fire on the left, Fire on the Right! Stuck in the middle with Andy the Kerr. I'll quit now, before I'm in trouble.

32 posted on 08/14/2002 8:16:28 PM PDT by AuntB
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To: AuntB
Aunt B - whatever fire it is - a west wind bought a heck of alot of smoke. You can cut it with a knife and it is enveloping the basin. I've heard the ANtelope Fire is now over 1,000 acres.

I would ask anyone from Ashland to post information, but I doubt a single FReeper resides in the liberal cess pool.

33 posted on 08/14/2002 8:25:14 PM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids
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To: AuntB
"...I don't think they've called it an "orange day yet."

Well, you don't have a bazillion dollars worth of almost useless public transportation, and your local government doesn't have a goofy agenda that they want to impose on everyone. Nope...all you have is a huge fire that is as bad as it is because of this goofy agenda.

That lady was weird, wasn't she?

Take care of yourself, AuntB. I'm keeping all of you down there in my prayers.

34 posted on 08/14/2002 9:06:55 PM PDT by dixiechick2000
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To: madfly
Thanks for the link, madfly.


35 posted on 08/14/2002 9:09:30 PM PDT by dixiechick2000
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To: dixiechick2000
Yep, it only reached 99 in my back yard yesterday...

It's 88 at 1307 hours...

I just finished nailing my new deck... :o)

36 posted on 08/15/2002 1:07:56 PM PDT by blackie
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To: AuntB
Hang 'em High !!

Stop the attacks by the wacko, extreme left-wing, enviro-nazis terrorist's on our Freedoms !!

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

Molon Labe !!

37 posted on 08/15/2002 1:12:57 PM PDT by blackie
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