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A Reflection on Apostasy
The Diocese Report/DRBlog ^ | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 | Brian Mershon

Posted on 08/14/2002 6:48:27 AM PDT by narses

A Reflection on Apostasy

by Brian Mershon

As a Father of four who struggles continually to try to raise his children in a Catholic culture by homeschooling them who surrounds ourselves with other friends of like mind in this anti-culture of death, I was shocked to received a phone call from a friend in Boston yesterday on a business trip. Just for some short background, he and I as well as a couple of other friends have been discussing the prudence and actual applications of Bishops and even the Pope regarding ecumenical ventures and inter-religious dialogue, especially in comparison to what is actually authorized by Vatican II. This conversation that we have struggled with, and continue to struggle with, entails each of us trying to keep each other on the straight and narrow path of obedience to in faith and morals to the Magisterium. We have read the Vatican II documents on the topic and they appear to be much more measured and "conservative" if you will in their applications than any of the practical gatherings that our U.S. Bishops, the Pope at the two Assissi events, and even Cardinal Arinze with the Buddhists and Hindus, have managed to undertake.

Please understand we are dealing with complex problems, and aside from one of us who is completing his master's in theology, we are mere laymen who have read a lot, and are formed in our faith through reading, prayer and the sacraments, perhaps in a deeper stage than most 20 or 30-something year-old Catholic men in the U.S. today. In other words, our lifestyles and interests are not typical of today's Catholic man.

With that being said, we struggle with obedience to the magisterium of the Church and in wanting to not to exercise private judgment, however, when Cardinal Kasper, who has had his theological bouts with Cardinal Ratzinger, is appointed a cardinal by the Pope and put in charge of "Christian Unity," and further has stated (paraphrased) that the return of confessional Christians to Catholicism is "an outdated concept" and not in keeping with the theology of Vatican II, even those Catholics who are not of the "traditionalist" mindset should have cause for concern to at least question what it is exactly Cardinal Kasper (whom the Pope appointed) has in mind. Now, back to the story of my friend in Boston.

He called me from the airport and had the Boston Globe in his hand, and sputtered, "Did you read this in the Boston Globe today?!!" Being the person who ordinarily sends out articles on topics of the Church to a rather large e-mail list, I assumed he had wandered upon another Priestly scandal story.

"No. What is it?" I enquired. We got cut off, and while he was calling me back, I quickly pulled up the Boston Globe on the web, and there it was staring me in the face with the headline... "Catholics Reject Evangelization of Jews." Well, being a former reporter myself who nows deals with the media professionally, I decided to read the article and figure out what kind of misrepresentation on Church teaching the Globe was printing today. After reading the story, it appeared the headline was accurate, so quickly I went to the U.S. Bishops' website and pulled up the "commentary" on the reflection on some dialogue that had apparently been taking place between some Catholic Bishops (particularly Cardinal Keeler, whom certain homeschooling organizations have relied upon over the years as their representative to Rome--YIKES!) and prominent Jewish leaders in the U.S.

Sure enough, there it was, from our "bishops" the second paragraph states: "Citing the growing respect for the Jewish tradition that has unfolded since the Second Vatican Council, and the deepening Catholic appreciation of the eternal covenant between God and the Jewish people," the Catholic portion of the Reflections says that "campaigns that target Jews for conversion to Christianity are no longer theologically acceptable in the Catholic Church." http://www.usccb.org/comm/archives/2002/02-154.htm . Lots of footnotes, selectively pulled from writings of John Paul II, Vatican II, and of course, Cardinal Kasper. Now, without getting into the history of the claims of individuals within the Church of allegedly forcibly coercing Jews against their will, could this story really be true? My friend called back and we read parts of the article and reflection aloud.

"Steve," I said. "This is the evidence of the apostasy. Our bishops, (at least those who are in accord with this document) have said that Jesus Christ came to earth, was crucified by Jews through a gentile (Roman) political court and leader, and now, it really doesn't matter if the Jews become Catholic because, according to the document, both Jews and Christians are equal in God's eyes." In other words, Jesus Christ came and died on the cross, but did not redeem Israel because Israel did not need redeeming! "Tell that to the Israelites destroyed in the Temple!" said another friend of mine.

Rabbi Gilbert Rosenthal, Executive Director of the National Council of Synagogues, said: "The joint Catholic-Jewish statement on mission is yet another step in turning a new page in the often stormy relationship between the Jewish people and the Roman Catholic Church. Neither faith group believes that we should missionize among the other in order to save souls via conversion. Quite the contrary: we believe both faith groups are beloved of God and assured of His grace. The joint mission statement has articulated a new goal, namely the healing of a sick world and the imperative to repair the damage we humans have caused to God's creations. We believe we are partners in bringing blessings to all humankind for this is god's will."

Steve, on the other end of the phone, was dumbfounded. "I guess this means this battle that faithful lay Catholics face is going to get quite ugly and more difficult if this is what our bishops really think," he said. Silence on both ends...

Ladies and gentlemen, the statement agreed upon by the U.S. Bishops committee and certain Jewish organizations is nothing short of denial of Jesus Christ for salvation and the necessity of his Church as the mediator of salvation. The statement by the Rabbi above, as wonderfully ecumenical and politically correct and harmless as it sounds, is nothing by reformulated Freemasonic principles, condemned multiple times by the Church. This battle for our true Faith has crossed the boundaries of sanity, and it is my hope and belief that the differences between technique and understanding that exists between "traditionalist" and "conservative" Catholics of the Steubenville variety will be resolved and overlooked so that the laymen can collectively struggle protect the Faith itself as at the times of the Arian crisis, along with those Priests and Bishops who still believe in the Great Commission and of the Church's necessity for salvation, and bond together to point out these errors, these heresies... this apostasy to the Bishops themselves.

While many even "traditionalist" Catholics did not like nor appreciate the "We Resist You to Your Face" manifesto that came from some prominent layment directed toward Rome a year or so ago, we lay Catholics must defend our Faith, the entire deposit, against Bishops who no longer believe it is our duty as baptized Catholics to become saints ourselves, and just as importantly, to lead others to holiness through the Church that only the Apostolic Roman Church can provide through the sacraments and prayer. Cardinal Keeler and any other bishops who believe we must no longer evangelize non-Christians must be publicly rebuked by the faithful flock. It is our duty!

Sister Lucia and the apparitions of Fatima warned of this apostasy. It is time for good-hearted laymen to rise up and call for a restoration of traditional Catholicism to all corners and parishes throughout the world!

"Neither faith group believes that we should missionize among the other in order to save souls via conversion. Quite the contrary: we believe both faith groups are beloved of God and assured of His grace." You have got to be kidding me. Forcible conversions against someone's will? Of course not! The Church has never taught in its magisterial capacity that this was acceptable practice. But, "both faith froups are beloved of God and assured of His grace?" What about the prayers at every single Mass in the pre-Vatican II rite that were specifically for the conversions of the Jewish people? Were we really wrong all those years? Were we? Or perhaps are the Bishops wrong now?

Finally, as depressing and "negative" as this may be, it may be time to take Pope Paul VI's warning to heart:

"The tail of the devil is functioning in the disintegration of the Catholic world. The darkness of Satan has entered and spread throughout the Catholic Church even to its summit. Apostasy, the loss of the faith, is spreading throughout the world and into the highest levels within the Church." Pope Paul VI, October 13, 1977, Address on the Sixtieth Anniversary of the Fatima Apparitions.

posted by Brian Barcaro 8/14/2002 01:06:45 PM


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To: babyface00
"I'll buy that "the church" is really the sum of its members, but aren't those same members part of the RC church? Isn't it plausible that the RC church is at least as likely to be "right" on matters of faith than any other thoughtful Christian religion?"

Yes, and yes. The only trouble I have with the RC is on the issue of infallibility. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. Other than that one thing, I'm sure that when the Kingdom is established for all to see, we will be suprised at who we find there, and even more suprised at who we don't.

62 posted on 08/14/2002 11:51:06 AM PDT by semaj
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To: HDMZ
What's left to say? This is proof the New Order is not Catholic. The only thing that props it up is the slavish obedience it is still able to exact from fearful lay people who would rather deny the faith itself than admit they've been snookered by religious con artists.
65 posted on 08/14/2002 12:15:47 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: sartorius
You are misinformed. The SSPX is not schismatic since the excommunication of its founder was obviously invalid.
He disobeyed the Pope because he believed our situation added up to a state of necessity--which Canon Law itself declares would void an excommunication. Who can doubt he acted correctly, given the current heretical scene?
68 posted on 08/14/2002 12:25:11 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: narses
Those bishops should read Mathew 28:18. That's what bothers me about cathlic doctrine - they put man-made doctrine up there with God-breathed revelation. This humanism began to creep into the catholic church about 1000 years ago when Aquinas tried to reconcile Revelation with humanism (Aristotle). Big mistake. The two are incompatible.
73 posted on 08/14/2002 1:45:20 PM PDT by exmarine
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To: allend
Hang it up, guys. The Pope has universal and immediate jurisdiction over the entire Church. If he excommunicates you, you've been excommunicated.

You mean the same Pope who said evolution is "more than a hypothysis"? The same pope who called a prayer conference for all faiths (including muslim, hindu, buddhist, etc.) and prayed with them? The same pope who opens the "Holy Door" in Rome every 25 years and walking thru it will cleanse one of sins? That pope? My authority is Jesus Christ and His Word. Men are sinful and fallible - that includes the Pope.

74 posted on 08/14/2002 1:48:43 PM PDT by exmarine
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To: HDMZ
What makes Thomas Aquinas a saint? Does the pope say so? God decides who isn't and isn't a saint. In fact, all believers in Jesus Christ are saints according to Paul. Thomas Aquinas tried to reconcile Christianity with Aristotle - can't be done. And some of the Aristotlean ideas were really lame, but the catholic church held onto them for dear life until after Galileo made them look foolish.
75 posted on 08/14/2002 1:51:30 PM PDT by exmarine
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To: narses
Anybody in the Columbus, Ohio area, Bob Burney of WRFD 880 AM is going to respond on air in a few minutes (close to 5:00 pm eastern) to an email I sent him this afternoon regarding this issue. I sent him an email yesterday about the initial statement made by the Catholic church and referred him to the FR posting. It was quite a conversation. Hopefully, it will continue today.

Barry
76 posted on 08/14/2002 1:53:41 PM PDT by tang-soo
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To: allend
If I'm excommunicated, somebody forgot to tell me. Funny how ready you people are to grant the Jews redemption without even the intercession of Christ, so long as the bishops say so. That doesn't stop you from consigning the rest of us to Hell. But consider this: what if it's you who have cut yourself off from the true Faith--out of blind and idolatrous worship of the Pope?


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To: tang-soo
Oops! Big ol' never mind. The note he is referencing
at this time is certainly not mine. Sorry for the noise
79 posted on 08/14/2002 1:59:19 PM PDT by tang-soo
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