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Don't be hoodwinked into defending this guy's ideology, nor be divided from those with whom you agree over such defenses.

These series of threads aren't about Matthews, Taylor, speeding tickets, or even Matthews' personal vision of the Constitution.

These threads are about using one man's death and another man's slaughter to initiate ad hominem attacks against ALL THOSE who believe the US Constitution is one creating a limited government of enumerated powers.

one_particular_harbor is THE most noteable personage here among others with nothing more in their desire to promulgate these threads than to divide us one from another, over the same argument that led to the War Between the States, the same argument between the Federalists and Anti-Federalists.

These people have danced in the blood of the fallen, neither Man has been placed in his grave yet. For all we know Matthews could have held the view that he has the right to murder because it's prosecution isn't an enumerated power in the Constitution...OR...For all we know the officer that stopped him could have told Matthews that it was open season on anti-government freaks and today was Matthews' lucky day.

Don't Do It.

Recognize these series of threads for what they primarily are: Ad Hominem attacks on ALL who believe in a limited government of enumerated powers.

Don't allow yourself to be manipulated into making seditious statements nor allow yourself to be divided from your friends seeking a less powerful government.

=Maelstrom=

For all we know Matthews could have held the view that he has the right to murder because it's prosecution isn't an enumerated power in the Constitution...OR...For all we know the officer that stopped him could have told Matthews that it was open season on anti-government freaks and today was Matthews' lucky day.

Matthews did--and told people about his desire to kill a cop if he was ever pulled over, starting in 1998. But oh my, such sympathy for a cop killer. If I work real hard, I might be able to squeeze out a tear.

But here's the information about the funeral for the man he murdered. Have any feelings for him, his widow and his two young children, now orphaned by a murderer?

Services Friday for Ptl. Taylor

Funeral services have been announced for Massillon Police Ptl. Eric Taylor, who was killed Friday night during a shootout near the construction site of The Arena, on the corner of Cherry Road and First Street Northwest.

Calling hours for Ptl. Taylor are 3-9 p.m. Thursday at Stewart & Calhoun Funeral Home, 529 W. Thornton St., Akron.

The Massillon Police Department will post officers at his side during the public viewing. The family will be seated from 7-9 p.m.

More calling hours are planned 9-11 a.m. Friday at the House of the Lord Church, 1650 Diagonal Road, Akron. The funeral service will begin at 11 a.m. and the casket will be closed for the final time. There will be a designated area for Massillon Police Department officers.

Following the service, Ptl. Taylor will be buried in Mount Peace Cemetery in Akron.

A Cleveland-based bagpipe band will play during the processional and also at the grave site. Taps will be played and an honor guard will render a gun salute.

A police escort will be given to the Taylor family from Massillon to Akron.

Taylor is survived by his wife, JuWanna; a son, Tyree, 3; and a daughter, Lauren, 1.

I'm certainly not equating the murderer with the anti-law enforcement types here, but their ideologies and the intensity they portray their hatred for any law enforcement seem quite similar.

When a situation like this occurs, I am certain many turn to websites like this and they see rhetoric immediately questioning the police force and insinuations that if any authority figure is involved, it is at fault. It doesn't make FR look good, and it provides more ammo for the libs.

Which is not to say we shouldn't question the government, it is simply the outright hatred some people have for authority and the speed in which they attack those who disagree with them which is quite disturbing.

Off-topic question that just popped into my head, if you are a Constitution-interpreter (can't think of a proper term here - no insult intended). Shouldn't the employees of the government or police also be considered "the People" in reference to protection from the government?

These threads are about using one man's death and another man's slaughter to initiate ad hominem attacks against ALL THOSE who believe the US Constitution is one creating a limited government of enumerated powers.

No, they are about exposing a particularly virulent form of extremist idiocy posing as "love of the Constitution."

An extremist zealot slaughtered an innocent human being--a law enforcement officer--for reasons that had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the Constitution. This abhorrent, wholly indefensible, and pathology-driven murder ought to be and will be condemned by reasonable men and women everywhere. If you don't want to have that same scorn heaped upon you, cease trying to defend or explain this horrible act.

Recognize these series of threads for what they primarily are: Ad Hominem attacks on ALL who believe in a limited government of enumerated powers.

The funny thing here is that OPH (whom I like btw) is arguably more libertarian(hedonisticly) than I'll ever be nowadays. I'm certainly much more culturally conservative. However, the irony for me is that due to my own memories of LEO excesses in the past, I am probably closer to your view on RKBA and what rightists like myself call JBT issues.

A further contradiction however is that normally libertarians depise hard right conservatives like me because we usually believe in G-d's authority and are at times willing to cede personal liberty to the state if we think it is in the interest of self preservation(serious war for example). Of course folks like me are generally ambivalent about the WOD at best and not pro-dope legalization.

As you can see, this whole conflict you are alluding to is rather complex between Libertarian/Constitutionalism and Conventional Conservatism whether paelo or neo.

That is why I have simply for one only expressed my sympathy for the dead man and his family as well as the shooter's wife. I have also lamented the effect it has had on our forum and the rather bad light it will undoubtedly shed on all of us if only by association.

Shooting that poor cop was dead wrong in my view and cannot be rationalized from what I've gleaned from all the info I've seen. And, it is apparent that Matthews more or less telegraphed his intentions on more than one occasion. FR is full of blowhards always going on and on about "BY G-D!!..WHAT THEY ARE GONNA DO!!!, but in this case I think reasonable observers could deduce that he indeed was not bluffing. The fact that he felt compelled to essentially murder a small town LEO over a traffic stop indicates to me that he was simply not right in the head or just pure dogass mean. Which?, I can't say.