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Fires Spread Plant Damage, Disease, Ore-gone Eco Terrorists's View of Fire Fighting
KGW TV/AP ^ | 10 August 2002 | GILLIAN FLACCUS, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 08/11/2002 8:47:29 AM PDT by Grampa Dave

Fires Spread Plant Damage, Disease, Ore-gone Eco Terrorists's View of Fire Fighting 08/10/2002

By GILLIAN FLACCUS, Associated Press Writer

The Lemmingsworth Gulch Research Natural Area would be a wonderful place to make a last stand against a raging wildfire -- it's wet, boggy and flat, without many trees.

But when fire officials suggested building a fireline through the 818-acre site to help contain the massive Florence Fire, ecologist Dr. Tom Atzet balked.

The federally designated area contains at least three sensitive plant species, including the fly-eating Cobra lily, and serves as a crucial research spot.

"That research area has a particular combination of (plants) that are not repeated in any other area," said Atzet, U.S. Forest Service ecologist for the Siskiyou, Rogue and Umpqua National Forests. "If you have fireline going down the middle of it, the probability is that you might hurt it."

Fire isn't the only thing threatening fragile forests this summer.

Once the flames are out, ecologists will begin assessing damage to trees from diseases spread by well-meaning fire crews, as well as to fragile plants hurt by heavy machinery.

They also will look at what opportunities, if any, the fires have provided to combat those diseases and nurture native species.

"There's always a concern about fires and what we do in terms of spreading offsite plants, or alien plants or exotic species," said Atzet.

A top concern for crews on the 333,891-acre Florence Fire is spreading Port Orford cedar root rot, a fungus-like pathogen spread through soil and water.

The fatal disease, which can lie dormant for up to eight years, is found in about 10 percent of Port Orford cedars. Port Orford cedar grows along the coast, from northern California to southern Oregon.

Spores from the disease leech into rivers near where the infected trees grow and have been identified in four waterways key to firefighting efforts -- the Rogue, Illinois, Chetco and Smith rivers.

Water used in helicopter drops must first be pumped from these rivers into 10,000-gallon tanks, where it is mixed with 10 gallons of Ultra Clorox to kill the spores.

All firefighting vehicles must report to washing stations daily to remove dirt that could contain dormant spores of the deadly disease.

"Most of them come in with huge clumps of mud on them. We had to use picks and forks and screwdrivers just to get the bulldozers clean," said Terry Mathews, who said some vehicles take two hours to clean.

Preliminary numbers show firefighters have used 16 million gallons of treated water over the past three weeks and have a standing order for 1,000 gallons of Ultra Clorox per day, said Frank Betlejewski, Port Orford cedar program manager for the U.S. Forest Service.

"As they start getting away from the helicopter work and get into ground work with hoses, it will probably keep increasing," he said.

Another concern is sudden oak death, a disease first identified in California and Oregon in 2000. The Florence fire is about 15 miles from Brookings, a city on Oregon's southern coast, where sudden oak death has carved out a nine-square-mile nitch.

Scientists still aren't sure how the disease travels, but haven't ruled out the possibility that water drops and human traffic could spread it, said Everett Hansen, professor of forest pathology at Oregon State University.

In California, scientists have discovered spores in streams that run through stands of sick trees, though they haven't been found in Oregon rivers, he said.

Fire officials said they aren't sure how they will deal with sudden oak disease should the fire reach that area. They do say, however, that fire crews won't waste time treating water if homes or lives are directly threatened by fire.

"The marching orders are pretty clear," said Richard Nieto, branch manager for the Florence Fire. "If there's public health or safety issues, we'll take care of that first."

Ecologists also point out that fire can provide an opportunity for scientists to eradicate some diseases.

Port Orford cedar disease, for example, dies after prolonged exposure to heat in the lab and scientists hope it will do the same in wildfires.

And if flames destroy infected cedars, ecologists will replant with recently developed trees that are resistant to the root rot.

The trees, grown at a Forest Service research center near Eugene, have been available for about 15 years but because of a decline in logging there has been little opportunity to plant them in national forests, said Everett.

"The fire may create opportunities that weren't there before," he said.

Everett said ecologists will focus on planting resistant cedars along streams and roads, where spores are most likely to enter new tree populations.

Fire could also help the Cobra lily -- if fire crews can avoid punching a containment line through its restricted habitat, said Atzet, the Forest Service ecologist.

"They're somewhat dependent on frequent fire that is intense enough to run through the bogs and take care of their competition," he said. "Every disturbance has its own footprint, has its own winners and losers."


TOPICS: Extended News; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: ecoterrorists; enviralists; greenfireagenda; greenjihadists; kalmiopsisarea; lillyoverhumans; ruralcleansing
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This should get your blood pumping!

Here we have in black and white, the Green Jihadists's agenda that plants, weeds and trees are more important than humans.

This is why when many fires are fought, they don't use bulldozers (remember that scene in the Colorado fires).

They just want confinement fire fighting if any fire fighting.

Neighbors of Atzet should send him some Lilly's to show how much they appreciate his preference for a damn lilly over their lives, their family's lives and their homes.

1 posted on 08/11/2002 8:47:29 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
fly-eating Cobra lily,

OMG not that! NOOOOO!! We must save it at all costs for the children, even if it means death to their own parents < /obvious sarcasm I hope>
2 posted on 08/11/2002 8:50:12 AM PDT by chance33_98
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To: one_particular_harbour; AppyPappy; Blood of Tyrants; ~EagleNebula~; Texaggie79; rdb3; Khepera; ...
pretty flowers make me happy ping

Jesus is coming back, and he is bringing a sword
3 posted on 08/11/2002 8:55:12 AM PDT by chance33_98
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To: 2sheep; AuntB; Granof8; Archie Bunker on steroids; EBUCK; OregonRancher; blackie; dixiechick2000
Good morning, this is Grampa Dave's extended news on the biggest fire in Ore-gone up in ashes current history and how a Green Jihadist looks at a plant as more important than the lives/homes of his neighbors.
4 posted on 08/11/2002 8:56:18 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: madfly; farmfriend; WaterDragon; backhoe; Ernest_at_the_Beach
This should get your blood boiling and should be d Green Jihadists and their agendas.
5 posted on 08/11/2002 9:00:13 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: CedarDave; AAABEST; sauropod; countrydummy; BOBTHENAILER; Tailgunner Joe
Good morning!

If you didn't detest the Green Jihadists and their agendas that place plants and critters over humans, this article should just about do it for you.

Please ping those who feel like us about these al Qaeda Tree and Lilly Huggers.
6 posted on 08/11/2002 9:03:50 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: chance33_98
Thanks for your remarks and pings.

Doesn't this just take the first A$$ prize in this terrible fire, the biggest in Ore-gone up in Ashes fire this past 100 years.
7 posted on 08/11/2002 9:05:38 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: tubebender
No real final word on the fire north of Napa.

Three years ago I had to use the weather satellite and phone calls to find out about one that burnt for days NEN of here.

We will have 2 dozen articles praising perversity (diversity), 1 dozen articles praising PC stuff, 1 dozen articles against President GW and an old out of date one on the fires in our local fishwrap.

My wife just confirmed this. I seldom read our local paper, she still wants it.
8 posted on 08/11/2002 9:12:12 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
They are not pro-nature, they are anti-human.

--Boris

9 posted on 08/11/2002 9:12:14 AM PDT by boris
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To: Grampa Dave
Not only is the Kalmiopsis black, there's not much local news either

1. more than 333,000 acres
2. community meetings at Agness and Brookings 7 p.m. Monday
3. no evacauations at this point
4. hot dry weather to continue
5. Oak Flat road closed to all but residents and firefighters.
10 posted on 08/11/2002 9:13:36 AM PDT by Granof8
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To: Grampa Dave
And if flames destroy infected cedars, ecologists will replant with recently developed trees that are resistant to the root rot. The trees, grown at a Forest Service research center near Eugene, have been available for about 15 years but because of a decline in logging there has been little opportunity to plant them in national forests, said Everett.

Some logging would have gone a long way to preventing cedar root rot. But no, instead the Green-freaks require that water used to stop the fire be treated with bleach first!!

INSANITY, INSANITY!!!

11 posted on 08/11/2002 9:29:24 AM PDT by CedarDave
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To: Grampa Dave
"There's always a concern about fires and what we do in terms of spreading offsite plants, or alien plants or exotic species," said Atzet.

He's concerned about fires and exotic species, yet he's upset about a fireline in a swamp!

More insanity!!!

12 posted on 08/11/2002 9:31:43 AM PDT by CedarDave
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To: Free the USA; Libertarianize the GOP; Stand Watch Listen; freefly; expose; Fish out of Water; ...
ping
13 posted on 08/11/2002 9:37:49 AM PDT by madfly
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To: *Enviralists
Index Bump
14 posted on 08/11/2002 9:42:10 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: Grampa Dave
So Grampa, if the local fire fighters bulldoze, etc. and stop the fire before it reaches the protected/researched plants, what are the Greenidiots going to do... sue the local fire depts for putting out the fire?
15 posted on 08/11/2002 9:43:41 AM PDT by mia
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To: madfly
BTTT!!!!!
16 posted on 08/11/2002 9:47:16 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: Carry_Okie
flag
17 posted on 08/11/2002 9:47:50 AM PDT by snopercod
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To: Grampa Dave
The tree huggers don't want the general population to know about anything that goes wrong. That could hurt their glorious reputation in Kalifornia.
18 posted on 08/11/2002 9:54:56 AM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: Grampa Dave
A few years ago the USFS gave a bone to the ORV crowd by letting them ride in the recreation area north of Hiway 199 near Gasquet Ca. Then they came up with the cedar rust thing and put so many restrictions on going there that no one rides there and the ORVers had given up other areas in nearby forest.
19 posted on 08/11/2002 10:19:39 AM PDT by tubebender
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To: Grampa Dave
There is a reasonable balance. In our Salmon River area about a decade ago, either out of area fire crews or helicopter loggers brought knapweed in from Idaho or Montana. So far, I believe we are the only area of CA that has it.

It is extremely invasive. It excretes a substance that kills any competing vegetation. Many of the noxious weeds do that. Many are also poisonous to livestock. If you haven't seen rangelands where this stuff has spread, it is a nightmare dead zone.

The enviros are hand pulling the weeds, because they don't want herbicides in their watershed. It is not going away and they have only slowed the spread.

In our early Salmon River fire this year, they washed vehicles coming in or out. After fighting the after effects of a decade ago from knapweed, I think that if time allows and human health, safety and property is not at immediate risk, such precautions can be in balance.

If they spread port orford root rot, they can lose a valuable resource (which I believe has been found to have medicinal uses.) If they spread sudden oak death, the oak forest resource will be decimated by disease, rather than fire.

This is not a black and white issue.
20 posted on 08/11/2002 10:44:23 AM PDT by marsh2
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