IS THIS A PERSON?

8/5/02 | jwalsh07

[jwalsh07]

AMENDMENT 14
SECTION 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

GE 4D Image Of a Baby

[Torie]

Fair enough. In fact, I would not want this mother anywhere near this child.

[jwalsh07]

Thanks......I think this fetus is at least 24 weeks due to to this website:

Is it a person yet? Because if it is, those babies are Constitutionally protected.

[Bowana]

Mom is part of the baby and so is Dad, the baby is unique.

Yes, but as long as the fetus is physically connected to the mother, it is not a person.

[Bowana]

Can you spell? separate.

I CAN NOW!

[Jolly Rodgers]

Yes, but as long as the fetus is physically connected to the mother, it is not a person.

Yep, that's pretty much the talking point used by people who desire cover for the act of murder.

[Sungirl]

Yep....as soon as it comes out.

[Chemnitz]

I am pro-life. People should realize that the doctors know they are murdering babies, persons. One doctor at a famous medical school said this to a conservative pro-life medical professor, "We know what we are doing. We know it is a life."

The pro-life people are not going to convince the abortion industry with photos and movies because abortion is designed to eliminate unwanted people, to serve as birth and gender control. That it kills people is a matter of indifference to them. The sainted Ann Landers said abortion was good because it saved money on welfare payments.

The continued progress of this abortion mentality is shown in that GOP leaders may endorse murder on the delivery table (once a sign of Communist Chinese brutality) and still be part of a conservative administration. Now we call it late-term abortion, but it isn't that at all. I really don't know which form of murder is less or more repulsive. But the GOP can get away with endorsing it, with being "moderate," and being "big tent" or nobrain Republicans.

The tender mercies of the abortion people are shown in their desire to kill all unborn babies suspected of being less than perfect. This bloodlust is not satiated with the seeking out and killing of potentially disabled babies. Now they must go after anyone who is less than perfect or taking too long to die. As one man said, his wife wanted to die, so he shot her with his gun. The wife could not be questioned, but the jury took the murderer at his word.

I hope the photos help the innocent who are misled by the medical people. I used to work in a pro-life counseling center. We showed videos to women while they waited for their test. (Good tests used to take a long time.) Many women and girls told me that they never realized how much was already happening inside them. For that reason the new technology will be a blessing. But I have little hope for the thousands of teachers, nurses, doctors, social workers, and government officials who have hearts harder than flint about the unborn.

[lsee]

What is an individual?

For those arguing against personhood for unborn babies, don't take offense at the title of this article...read the whole thing and see if it doesn't help to clarify, legally, technically, and otherwise, that a baby is, indeed, an individual whether born yet or not.

[serinde]

Is that true that 5 year olds must have a SS No. nowdays?

As of a couple of years ago, for parents to claim a newborn as a deduction, they have to get an SSN within the child's first year (or before April 15). If they don't want to claim the deduction, the child won't need an SSN until they start to work, probably.

[Bowana]

Actually, if the fetus were part of the mother, the mother's immune system would reject 'it' long before birth at nine months, but you can't be expected to be consistent when you wish to support sanctioned serial killing.

The baby is CONNECTED to the mother and is surviving on the nutrients supplied by the mother's body! NOT SEPARATE, NOT AN INDIVIDUAL, and NOT A PERSON.

[Torie]

Bowana just admitted that a mother should not be allowed to kill a 24 week fetus at will. Maybe we are moving towards some agreement on something here. That would be a first for an abortion thread.

[Lorianne]

You are the one who posted the 14th Ammendment outlining what rights citizens have. Then you discuss "rights". Under the description of citizens, a literal interpretation means fetuses have not "rights" at all until born.

My personal feelings are quite different. However, the way the 14th Ammendment was written using the word "born" makes it difficult to argue for the right to "life" under those terms mentioned in the Ammendment itself.

Personally, I don't think the Ammendment was written to specifically exclude fetuses. It was an oversight. However, we are stuck with it and there are many consequences. For example, a child born who's father is a US citizen but who is born outside the USA is not considered a citizen. However a child who is born to a mother who is a citizen, is considered a citizen no matter where he is born. Conversely a child born in the USA borders who's parents neither one are American citizens, is automatically an American citizen, but the child with the American father born outside the border is not.

There are many inequities with the "born" word even pertaining to children outside the womb.

[jwalsh07]

Yes, but as long as the fetus is physically connected to the mother, it is not a person.

Bowana, think about it. The baby is a person, we can all see that. Whether it gets nourishment through the umbilical cord or Moms teat can not be the definition of personhood. Nor can geography.

A 20 month old baby is not a person one second and it is a second later when delivered prematurely? Of course not.

Babys are just little people in life's continuum on the way to be big people paying big taxes and dreaming big dreams.

[Bowana]

you can't be expected to be consistent when you wish to support sanctioned serial killing.

AND yes I do support sanctioned serial killing, especially those involved in and supporting terrorism!

[Bowana]

What part of the mother is the fetus?

The Fetus.

[jwalsh07]

For that reason the new technology will be a blessing

Yes, I think it will. It is why I posted the thread.

[Lorianne]

It is not only the "convenience" of mothers which is at issue in most abortions.

[Sungirl]

in person

adj : an appearance carried out personally in someone else's physical presence; "he carried out the negotiations in person"; "a personal appearance is an appearance by a person in the flesh" [syn: in-person(a), in person(p), in the flesh(p)] adv : in the flesh; without involving anyone else; "I went there personally"; "he appeared in person"
[syn: personally] Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University

[getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL]

Of course it's a person! Ask my 3 year old, and she would say the same.

Walk into any ICU, and look at how many people are hooked to life-sustaining medical equipment. God-willing, many of those folks will eventually grow strong to the point the equipment isn't needed anymore. I don't see a difference, except that the "equipment" attached to the person comes from different sources. Oh, and maybe that one is in a hospital, and one is inside a human incubator.

Of course it's a person! I want to have one more, just to get to experience the 4D!!! Too fantastic, for oh, so many reasons!!!

[OHelix]

Inseparable Siamese twins? 1 Person or 2?