IS THIS A PERSON?

8/5/02 | jwalsh07

[jwalsh07]

AMENDMENT 14
SECTION 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

GE 4D Image Of a Baby

[Torie]

"physological" plus psychologically distubed. Only the latter would go there IMO.

[Rodney King]

It's amazing the lengths to which people go to try to deny the obvious. Of course it's a person. Assuming that the government will not recognize it as such, however, I suggest a new tactic: Let's try to get fetuses on the endangered species list.

[Jolly Rodgers]

Not only is it a person, it is a living human being with the exact same rights that every other living human being has.

[Bowana]

Probably won't have the time tonight, but here it is:

Life, The Toughest Choice (anti-abortion and pro-choice)

[nickcarraway]

Hmmm, it's not an acorn. If it has it's own DNA, I'd have to say it's a person.

[Bowana]

They all were individuals then and they are now. Alyssa was small and nuzzled. Andrew was a kicker and Derrick was already into NASCAR.

They may have had individual charactoristics, but they were not individuals, yet.

[It's me]

This baby does not look like he is in the last trimester!!! I think you know that, too. It looks more like the second trimester.

[jwalsh07]

Not only is it a person, it is a living human being with the exact same rights that every other living human being has

Darn straight JR.

[Hank Kerchief]

The real question ought to be, whatever it is, to whom does it belong, and who has a right to decide what is done with it, the State, or the parent?

This question will only matter to those who actually have children that were born.

Hank

[It's me]

Not an individual? Can you explain that, please? Is he a multiple?

[Sungirl]

How the heck would I know that? It was just a guess....how about you?

[humblegunner]

Ok, here's the question. Is this baby a person?

No slant, huh?

[Sungirl]

Hey..how about a link to the website where this came from?

[CharacterCounts]

Most definitions of the word "Person" include the words Human and Individual.

And most of the definitions of "individual" include the word person. Thus, you cannot rely on the dictionary to determine if the fetus is a person or individual.

The actual history of the tretment of the fetus is more complex. Well before Roe v. Wade, the law did not treat the fetus as a full person until it had "quickened" (remember this goes bck to the 19th Century). "Quickened" generally meant that the fetus took on the form of a human being and had other characteristics of individuality such as an independant heartbeat. So, in the 19th Century if you shot and killed an expectant mother before the fetus quickened you would be charged with one murder. After the fetus quickened you would be charged with two.

Of course, modern science has demonstrated that the fetus has all of these signs of signularity at a very early stage of development. Traditionally, dependency on another for life has not been a test of personhood.

[jwalsh07]

Here's the full sentence:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside.

The sentence defines citizens, not persons. It is seperate and distinct from the next sentence guaranteeing all persons their unalienable rights.

Lots of people make tha same mistake. For instance, Justice Blackmun.

[mamelukesabre]

good question. I suppose it is possible nowdays to get fingerprints en utero (sp?) with modern technology, so why not? This sounds like a good idea to me.


Is that true that 5 year olds must have a SS No. nowdays? I did't have one untill after I tried to get a job at the age of 16. I never had a SS number the whole 2 years I worked as a paper boy.

[Sungirl]

Ok ...this is ridicuous...I want to ask this fetus if it's a person IN PERSON!!

[Hank Kerchief]

Not only is it a person, it is a living human being with the exact same rights that every other living human being has ...

Oh yeah? It has a right say whatever it chooses? (I you have kids you won't believe that is true until they are adults or at least out of your house.) Do they have a right to vote. Why not, couldn't be any worse than who are voting now.

Really, I'm only pointing out an unborn child, as well as born children of any age have no "rights." Their parents have rights, and obligations, but rights only pertain the ability to choose and do, not to have and have done for you.

Hank

[r9etb]

How many months is this fetus?

Based on the general pudginess of the arms and fingers, plus the cramped-looking conditions in the 3D picture:

one would have to say that this child is pretty far along, but not yet full-term. 30+ weeks, perhaps?

[Sungirl]

No..I read it where it says if it is born ..it is a person.