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Press ignoring real problem in church: homosexual recruitment
Union Leader ^ | 8/05/02 | JOHN S. ARGUE

Posted on 08/05/2002 3:33:21 AM PDT by kattracks

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1 posted on 08/05/2002 3:33:21 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; Askel5; livius; ...
Thanks for posting, kattracks.

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2 posted on 08/05/2002 3:36:54 AM PDT by maryz
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To: kattracks
Years ago in medical school, I learned that many homosexual men try to recruit young teenage boys — 11-, 12-, 13-year-olds, boys who have not yet clearly established their sexual identity as men.

That is why the perverts so desperately want into the Boy Scouts.
Their deviant, burning lust drives them.
No way we should "tolerate" their lifestyle.


3 posted on 08/05/2002 3:45:11 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: EdReform
Perversion
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4 posted on 08/05/2002 3:46:06 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: kattracks
That's why the press leads us all to believe that it is "child molesters" when it is Homosexual Sexual Abuse
5 posted on 08/05/2002 3:56:08 AM PDT by Dick Vomer
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"...No way we should "tolerate" their lifestyle..."

Homosexual seduction of a minor should be a death penalty crime.

6 posted on 08/05/2002 4:17:28 AM PDT by DWSUWF
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That is why the perverts so desperately want into the Boy Scouts.
Their deviant, burning lust drives them.

Yes, the BSA is still the homos' number one target as evidenced by this page from the Lambda Legal Defense and Education Fund.

Click here (scroll down to target list on left)

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7 posted on 08/05/2002 4:29:39 AM PDT by JCG
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To: kattracks
Recently I saw an Atlanta YouthPride newsletter. Among its discussion groups was a "Grrl" group for girls 13 - 17, and a Teen Group for teens 13 -17. Yes, gays are recruiting.
8 posted on 08/05/2002 4:47:59 AM PDT by Atlantian
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9 posted on 08/05/2002 4:48:43 AM PDT by Khepera
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To: kattracks
What we have here is an unspeakable truth: no one can gainsay its factuality, but no one wants it discussed openly, and a militant minority will try to destroy you if you do so.

Unspeakable truths have been accumulating around us for decades, in time with the ascent of the Give-No-Offense school of public discourse. (For now, we will omit the conspicuous exception to the GNO doctrine, i.e., that a "liberal" is free to say vicious things about a conservative or libertarian, and no one will call him to account for it.) GNO became popular in America when we decided that "tolerance" and "condonement" were one and the same.

Bluntly, they are not.

There are several excellent reasons to say that a man's sexual orientation should be a private affair, not a matter for the law or the courts. None of them can be translated into reasons to approve of his behavior. If his behavior is damaging to him personally, as homosexuality has been shown to be, then it's a vice, something we should educate our young ones to avoid, and steer them away from whenever possible. If he reaches out to damage unwilling or unknowing others in pursuit of his vice, then he's committing a crime, and we may legitimately invoke the force of the law.

Though it has always advocated separating the sin from the sinner, deploring the former and reaching out to the latter, the Catholic Church has long discouraged its seminaries from admitting applicants who were homosexually inclined. The Church is a private organization, with no powers of coercion, so it has a perfect right to do this. In recent years, with the tailing-off of vocations among American men, the stricture has been relaxed -- and now we see what comes of embracing this vice.

If homosexuality were something it's safe to condone, the Church's sexual misbehavior problems would be comparable to the Boy Scouts -- but public commentators have been reluctant to reflect on the Scouts, with their much-reviled policy of shunning homosexual Scoutmasters, and their success at protecting their most vulnerable charges.

Given that there is an active youth-recruitment element in the homosexual community, and that, whether overt or covert, this element can be seen at work over centuries of Western history, it makes perfect sense for responsible parents to shun it. If their churches fail to do so, those parents will leave the churches out of simple fidelity to their obligations to their children.

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10 posted on 08/05/2002 5:05:03 AM PDT by fporretto
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I find it interesting that homosexuality in the priesthood has been cited as a problem, particularly as it pertains to the supervision of young boys. Contrast this reaction with the castigation of the Boy Scouts for not permitting homosexual scoutmasters. It is time common sense supercedes political correctness.
11 posted on 08/05/2002 5:16:29 AM PDT by kabar
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Yes, they recruit!! I was about 12 at the local CYO. Went home and told someone because I needed to know some facts of life. It was a shock to me and I made sure I stayed away from this "older" girl.

Sac

12 posted on 08/05/2002 5:26:25 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Dick Vomer
I said months ago when this scandal started to break big, that we call a spade a spade (this makes the liberals and P.C. crowd's blood curdle) and name this all "Chickenhawkgate". In it's 'bare' (sorry) essence, that is really what the RCC scandal was/is all about.

Upon analysis, it would seem a great many of the pervert RCC priests (the great majority of all priests still good, though) have gone into the ministry not necessarily to help people (out of some altruistic 'Good') but rather to hide something, or otherwise become closely associated with the polar moral opposite (purity, Good, religion) of the filthy, secret indecency that has overwhelmed their private lives and for which they are ashamed, struggling, self-hating, yet still hiding. I think this phenomenological problem is not in Catholicism alone....

The truth of this problem, the kernal of this problem, IMHO stands boldly in front of the very faces of the liberals and PCers, akin to a 2-tonne elephant, and some of these pathetic cannot even see it. It is the age old problem of homosexuality and it's selfish, uncontrolled and narcissistic enthrallment with male, seduceable youth.

13 posted on 08/05/2002 5:39:29 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: DWSUWF
Homosexual seduction of a minor should be a death penalty crime.

Concur.

14 posted on 08/05/2002 5:53:32 AM PDT by Steve0113
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Yep..... Chickenhawk..... but you can't say that cause dog on it wasn't Jesus the kind and loving God that said you can't judge and that we've got to understand...

The problem is the lying, coniving gay perverts who are like flys on society .... whatever they don't eat they sh*t on...

I hold the entire RCC clergy responsible ... even the "good" ones because they aid and abet this disgusting rape of young boys by the others and will not go public and will not grab a hold of what's left of their dignity and say.... ENOUGH!!!!! I am witnessing an abomination and a lie and sin and have allowed it to go on by not being a vocal opponent and condemn what is hidden in the RCC. It makes me want to puke everytime I see the hierarchy come up with some other lame excuse or program to help the perverts and to try to hide or payoff the victims..

15 posted on 08/05/2002 6:27:51 AM PDT by Dick Vomer
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Isn’t it time the Church, and the press, faced the fact and told the truth straight out? Some homosexual men do try to enlist young teenagers in homosexual activity — and they do it time and time again, often for 20 or 30 years or more, ruining dozens of potentially normal lives in the process.

Yes, it is. But they (the Church hierarchy) doesn't have the courage to do so. They are cowards, and their cowardice has led to severe harm to thousands of innocent teenage boys.

16 posted on 08/05/2002 6:45:36 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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When Msgr. Eugene Clark in New York did exactly that last month he received a nationwide blasting by homosexual pressure groups. Marianne Duddy, executive director of the homosexual activist group Dignity/USA, blew her top, labeling his analysis as “incredibly horrifying and irresponsible.” Does this barrage from such groups scare off honest analysis and criticism?

Of course it does. The media has never been so muted and cowed on any issue. The bishops are in the same boat. They are all cowards.

17 posted on 08/05/2002 6:46:38 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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The public knows it, parents know it. That’s why parents try to keep their young teen boys away from homosexual neighbors, homosexual scoutmasters, etc.

Of course the public knows it. That's also why a heck of a lot of parents won't be letting their sons out with a preist anytime, anywhere. We cannot now trust a priest with our sons. That is shocking. Men who walk (supposedly) in the path of Christ cannot be trusted with our sons. The Catholic Church can jump through hoops to try and finesse the issue of the massive queerization of the Church, but unless homosexuals are rooted out, parents will NOT trust their sons with priests. The Church hierarchy is telling all of us that it cares more about whether the feelings of homosexuals are hurt (and the condemnation it gets from doing so) than it does about whether parents can trust a priest with a teenage boy. At the end of the day, when a parent can't trust a priest with a teenage boy (the current state), the whole idea of 'in persona Christi' becomes a sham.

18 posted on 08/05/2002 6:51:41 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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I hold the entire RCC clergy responsible ... even the "good" ones because they aid and abet this disgusting rape of young boys by the others and will not go public and will not grab a hold of what's left of their dignity and say.... ENOUGH!!!!! I am witnessing an abomination and a lie and sin and have allowed it to go on by not being a vocal opponent and condemn what is hidden in the RCC. It makes me want to puke everytime I see the hierarchy come up with some other lame excuse or program to help the perverts and to try to hide or payoff the victims..

You've summed up my feelings as well. All of the priests and bishops and the pope are responsible, because they've known about this for a long time. And they put the welfare of young kids dead last. Our Church has become the Church of Sodom.

19 posted on 08/05/2002 6:53:46 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: fporretto
If homosexuality were something it's safe to condone, the Church's sexual misbehavior problems would be comparable to the Boy Scouts -- but public commentators have been reluctant to reflect on the Scouts, with their much-reviled policy of shunning homosexual Scoutmasters, and their success at protecting their most vulnerable charges. Given that there is an active youth-recruitment element in the homosexual community, and that, whether overt or covert, this element can be seen at work over centuries of Western history, it makes perfect sense for responsible parents to shun it. If their churches fail to do so, those parents will leave the churches out of simple fidelity to their obligations to their children.

Boy Scouts puts the safety and well-being of teenage boys FIRST; the Catholic Church puts the safety and well-being of teenage boys DEAD LAST. Shame on my Church. You're right; even if parents stay with the Catholic Church, they will never trust priests again unless the Church is de-queerized. A Church where you can't trust the priests is only a feeble shadow of itself.

20 posted on 08/05/2002 6:57:48 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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