Posted on 08/04/2002 5:25:55 PM PDT by Bear Bottoms
Is this the same FBI involved in Ruby Ridge and Waco?
The same FBI that handed over 2200 (900 on Republicans) raw FBI files to the Clinton White House, with nary a peep about this gross violation of law?
Just asking.
I'm glad Del Hahn has done that, and hopefully someone will take the time to go to Fayetteville and research it.
It would be more convenient if he had published it on the Internet, but at least there is a way to find it now.
http://www.sit-rep.com/bearbottoms.htm
Some minor corrections for you -- Lockheed built a JetStar business jet aircraft (two jet engines, and the Jetstar II with 4 jet engines), and Lear built several Learjet models (two jet engines), and then the Learstar (composite materials, blended wing, during the 1980's), but I don't tjhink there was ever a Lockheed Learstar.
I think the correct spelling of the name is Richard Ben-Veniste. He was a lawyer for the Watergate committee in the mid-70's.
I don't know what the truth is on so many of these Clinton related issues. Your summary of the Barry Seal story seems realistic and factual, and is apparently your testimony, presumably given under oath. If you are correct, then there seems to have been a conspiracy to tie Clinton to any and all of these issues.
I'd be curious to know, in detail, a list of the aircraft used at Mena; and in particular, any technical extras you may recall, special features, etc., of each aircraft; no A/C no.'s, please.
If you'd prefer not to state 'em, that's OK, too.
Thanks.
I'm just curious about the aircraft modifications.
A friend of mine once tried to get a business going, which would install reverse-pitch props on small twin-engine aircraft.
One of the aircraft which he did install a set on, that work was never paid for; the owner of the aircraft managed to get a judge in another county, to order the release of the aircraft --- my friend had refused to "sign off" on the work ... something about his right to do that as well as F.A.A. reg.'s, I am given to understand.
And then, at some point in the appeals process, where the aircraft's presence was required, "it just suddenly disappeared," says the owner. My friend, at that point, had no money to proceed further; in fact, he hid from us that he had gone quite broke, trying to pursue payment from the owner.
Well, somewhere in the time frame of about 11 years ago, an A/P mechanic up in Minnesssotah ... called my friend and asked if he had ever worked on an aircraft of this type.
My friend said, "Yes; why?"
That A/P mechanic had found some F.A.A./mechanic's papers (of his own) under the seat of the aircraft, which my friend had left behind.
The A/P mechanic was a bit concerned, because he had been asked to do some refurbishment of the aircraft. He said that the aircraft had an NC no. which was obviously not that on these hidden papers, and further, upon his own inspection, he found indications of the old, original NC no.'s underneath a more recent paint job which had preceded this mechnanic's first knowledge of the aircraft.
The A/P mechanic then asked my friend, what truly unique modification(s) might have been made to the aircraft, and my friend responded about the installation of the reverse-pitch props.
The aircraft is a Beech Baron; I don't know the model year, nor the correct, nor the "counterfeit" NC no.'s. I was around when my friend was working on it. In fact, my friend had asked me to help formalize the tech. drawings of the parts and installation, while I was in town. Unfortunately, I was not able to get that work done well at all.
He had some arrangement, a potential partnership with a prop-maker, should sales orders meet such and such a level, I think; but the enterprise eventually, slowly collapsed.
He did refit to reverse pitch props, one or two Beach Barons for the State of Texas, which wished to use them for more effective pursuit of bad guys --- the cops needed to set down quick and in short areas.
The reverse pitch prop equipped Beach Baron was a very nimble aircraft; you could set down and stop very quickly.
My friend died in an aircraft incident, in the winter of 1991. There is some possibility that the aircraft was tampered with; however, I believe that his luck had run out. There was absolutely thick, a 300ft layer of ground fog over a small town destination airfield.
My theory, based upon discussions with him over the years: He thought several passes over the area where he believed the airfield was, would disturb this "soup" enough for him to set down in there. (He'd done this kind of thing before.)
On one of his low passes, he managed to snag the vines in the treetops at the edge of airfield.
Well, he had performed, unwillingly, a "carrier landing of sorts." That "net" of entanglement around the landing gear, did not let go, by chance; and it was almost like a reaching baseball catch by mother earth --- she pulled it in real quick 'n secure.
Goodbye Charlie.
He was a great guy, and he helped me get some breathing time away from home base from time to time. I am not a qualified pilot, but I know my way a wee bit, around the office, so to speak. Including some very "exciting" experience flying here and there, including one actual carrier type landing (successful) on a mountaintop ridge. While I particularly liked the landing on the grass next to the hard strip at Fr. Wayne, one year, in a King Air.
He was a salesman of aircraft and automobiles, and so various toys were at his disposal, on occasion; when I was in the neighborhood, he would say, "Hey kid, how about a ride?"
Yep!
You all are probably bored to tears by this discussion, but for me, a kid who had always wanted to fly, but had been told, "NO!" by the parents, well, I did get some time in the seat.
As well as time in a whole 'nother world from life out in the sticks.
Anyway, I was curious to know if you had any solid recollection of a reverse pitch propped Beach Baron?
Thanks.
"(of his own)" refers to my friend ... sorry, I did not get the grammar quite correct, there.
The reverse pitch prop equipped Beach Baron was a very nimble aircraft; you could set down and stop very quickly.
Anyway, I was curious to know if you had any solid recollection of a reverse pitch propped Beach Baron?
I'd be curious to know, in detail, a list of the aircraft used at Mena; and in particular, any technical extras you may recall, special features, etc., of each aircraft; no A/C no.'s, please.
No recollection at all of any small aircraft not designed from the factory with reverse pitch props. I can land and stop a normal Baron (say 20 seconds) in much less distance than it can take off in. This is true of most aircraft. Especially the small ones. For that reason, I can see why there would be little demand for such an innovation.
As for aircraft we had at Mena...2 Piper Navajo's with Panther conversions almost identical. These had illegal cargo door installations which enabled the "kicker" to remove and bring the whole door inside the aircraft. We had a internal bladder fuel tank connected into the crossfeed fuel system. We had nacelle and nose fuel tanks. We had 2 JATO bottles connected on the aft lower fuselage. We had HF radio, VLF Omega, Loran, a fuel computer, a skyscope, an encrypted "ringer" that would transmitt LF or VHF, hand held encrypted two-way radios off of the scanner bands, beacon radars, night vision goggles, top of the line (for the time) dual navigation, flight, and communications electronics and a few other goodies. 2 Piper Senecas outfitted much the same as the Navajos but for the conversion, JATO, and cargo doors. This was the base of our fleet and the Seneca's were basically obsoleted by the Navajos. We also had an old Convair and Albatross which were never used, but sat parked on the apron. Late in the game, we had the Fat Lady (C-123) which was used twice before it was sold back to Doan. We had other aircraft and helicopters, but they weren't kept at Mena...though occasionally they went there.
How did I know you would use your stock answer.
Hell Bear, you were a major drug dealer, your gonna call him a dupe and a liar?
Your credibility is shot and like Clinton, your trying to change History.
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