not necessarily,
'specially if they gave 'em bullets this time ...
Posted on 08/01/2002 9:57:08 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - President Bush ( news - web sites) said on Thursday he was "furious" about a Palestinian bombing that killed five Americans and two Israelis in Jerusalem but he still believed peace was possible in the Middle East.
"I'm just as angry as Israel is right now," Bush told reporters in Washington before meeting Jordan's King Abdullah. "I'm furious that innocent life was lost. However, through my fury, even though I am mad, I still believe peace is possible."
Bush's remarks followed scathing condemnation by U.S. ambassador to Israel Daniel Kurtzer of Wednesday's attack, which he said marked "a new depth of depravity" for Palestinian militants waging a 22-month-old uprising against Israeli occupation.
Seven people were killed and more than 80 hurt when the lunchtime blast tore through a cafeteria at Hebrew University, one of the few places in Jerusalem where Arabs and Israelis still studied and lived peacefully together.
U.S. officials identified four of the dead as Janis Coulter, 36, Benjamin Blutstein, Marla Bennett and David Gritz. Gritz also had French citizenship. Israeli police identified the fifth American as Dina Carter, 37, who also had Israeli citizenship.
The two Israelis killed were identified as David Ladovsky, 29, who had recently joined the diplomatic corps, and Levina Shapira, a 53-year-old student counselor.
Hamas, an Islamic militant group dedicated to Israel's destruction, said it carried out the attack to avenge an Israeli air strike in Gaza last week that killed its military leader, his lieutenant and 13 others, including nine children.
The attack was the bloodiest in Israel since June 19 when a bomber killed seven Israelis at a Jerusalem bus stop, and was unusual because of the high toll of foreign victims.
It further dented hopes of an early breakthrough to end violence since Palestinians rose up against Israeli occupation in September 2000 after statehood talks deadlocked.
Asked if he supported Israeli military retaliation for the latest bomb attack, Bush said Israel had a right to defend itself "but I say to all parties involved, we must keep the vision of peace in mind."
ISRAELI SHOT DEAD
In new violence, an Israeli man was found bound and shot dead near Israel's border with the West Bank on Thursday.
The Israeli army accused Palestinian gunmen of shooting the man at close range at the Buds of Peace industrial zone near the West Bank city of Tulkarm after going there to make deliveries.
A senior Israeli security source said Prime Minister Ariel Sharon ( news - web sites) had decided in consultations with Defense Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer to "retaliate strongly against Hamas targets for what happened."
But the government did not say exactly how it would respond to the blast, which was condemned by the Palestinian Authority ( news - web sites) and which followed a suicide attack that wounded four people in Jerusalem on Tuesday.
In Beit Jala near Bethlehem in the West Bank, witnesses said Israeli forces blew up the home of Hazim Saras, who carried out that bombing.
It was not clear whether Israeli pledges to ease the hardship of 700,000 Palestinians living under Israeli military curfew in the West Bank since mid-June would be affected.
Laying a wreath at Hebrew University a day after the blast, U.S. Ambassador Kurtzer demanded immediate action by the Palestinians and Arab states to end the violence.
"The terrorist murderers, those who sent them and those whose action and inaction contributed to this despicable act, have descended to a new depth of depravity," Kurtzer, a former student at the university, said.
CONDEMNATION BY "QUARTET"
Washington's partners in the 'Quartet' leading efforts to revive peacemaking -- Russia, the United Nations ( news - web sites) and the European Union ( news - web sites) -- also condemned the bombing.
"Terror has brought death and suffering in...a lively center of culture, of communication and of learning where students of different nationalities and ethnic origin work closely and harmoniously together, including of course Israelis and Palestinians," EU Commissioner Michel Barnier said.
At least 1,473 Palestinians and 574 Israelis have been killed in the violence, including a 63-year-old Gaza man who medical officials said died on Thursday of earlier wounds.
Suicide bombings have continued despite a six-week Israeli offensive in the West Bank launched in late March.
A U.N. report on Israel's assault on the Jenin Palestinian refugee camp during the offensive criticized all sides, saying Israel endangered civilians by using heavy weapons in heavily populated areas while 200 Palestinian fighters used the camp as a base.
The report by U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan ( news - web sites) avoided the word "massacre" and dismissed Arab claims that 500 Palestinians died in Jenin during Israel's "Operation Defensive Shield."
It said there were cases when Israeli forces did not respect the neutrality of medical and humanitarian workers, and that 52 Palestinians and 23 Israeli soldiers died in Jenin over 10 days.
First, let me thank you for wording your criticism as gently as you have.
Second, this should not be hard to understand for a person as obviously as intelligent and articulate as you. I SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION and thus, no foreign entanglements, because I believe that to be the wisest path in world relations. In other words,...I don't lean over the fence and tell my neighbor how he will or will not live his life. However, if my neighbor wants to tell me how to live mine, then I will defend my way of life, no matter what that neighbor may think or no matter what the cost to me or that neighbor.
As for my support of the nation of Isreal, it transcends to a higher level of relationship than meddlesome political intervention. God promised, that although Isreal would be scattered (as they were) that they would also become a nation again (as they have). While I realize from reading your posts that you do not share my beliefs,...they are still mine. Because I choose to follow Christ (who was a Jew) I choose also to support God's chosen people. ...It's that simple. In other words, I do not believe that the hand of man can accomplish anything without the official Okee-Dokee of the Lord. ...If you remember anything, remember this about people (to include yourself, I am sure)
"A belief is not merely an idea that the mind possesses,...it is an idea that possesses the mind."
not necessarily,
'specially if they gave 'em bullets this time ...
BUMP
Three full Americans=3
+ one US Israeli dual, 50% deduction= 0.5+
one US French Dual, deduction (uh, uh), 50% too=0.5=
4 dead Americans.
You and I just saved a life. What a disgusting thought process (not you)
Your ignorance is showing. I recommend you visit the FAS website to get an idea of all that ELINT encompasses.
Are you really so dense as to think that this is all Bush is doing?
Get a grip, pal. Your anti-Bush emotions have quite obviously overcome your ability to see beyond your tear ducts.
I believe there are two issues here. 1) ANY life is valuable and innocent life snuffed out by injustice is evil 2) A person being a citizen of the USA should be able to travel freely and confidently knowing the power and commitment of the USA stands behind them. The USA's commitment to its citizens is not the greatest but doen't it mean something other than being a target to be an overseas citizen of the USA?
Talk's cheap! I want action!
I did make the argument. You obviously ignored it.
I freely admit that I pointed out your demonstrably true tendency to get your diapers in a twist whenever Bush says anything about anything. Personal attack? Probably. Telling the truth about your usual MO? Definitely.
Americans are dying, this form of terrorism is unacceptable. Shall terrorists prevail, we will never see the end of this form of terrorism until it's the United Islamic States of America.
As you see, it's not just Israel. Islamists are targeting the Western Civilization.
Yeah I mean after all we got 280 million of them so this really isn't going to impact us that much.</sarcasm off>
It is a great plan to pick off the leaders one at a time.
As for the rest ..... well, I guess you've opened your mouth and removed all doubt.
It further dented hopes of an early breakthrough to end violence since Palestinians rose up against Israeli occupation in September 2000 after statehood talks deadlocked.
Pretty well shows which side of the political spectrum Reuters favors (as if there was any doubt!)
His successor? Any ideas who this tough-minded successor might be?
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