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PGA Abandons San Antonio, Texas
Local Radio | 07-01-02 | mercy

Posted on 08/01/2002 9:37:43 AM PDT by mercy

The PGA in a letter to the city council has announced that they do not want to be involved in what has become such a divisive issue.

They are backing out after years of negotiations.

Due to a small mainority of nogrowth folks in SA who managed to place the whole issue up to a vote of the pupulace through an initiative process ... the city will now not have three new golf courses and a beautiful planned development surrounding the courses.

The development was on privately owned county land. Outside the city of San Antonio. The PGA had agreed however to go along with nearly every environmental and development restriction placed on them.

But they have balked at bowing to total control. Granted they wanted a big tax break but even with the tax break the amount of money flowing into the area through nearly innumerable sources connected with the building and operation of this huge subdivision would have been massive.

This would have been nothing but an immense boon to the city of SA and an added jewel to the area's tourist industry. SA bills itself as a tourist mecca and is a major convention center. This is a huge black eye for the city.

A few years ago they blew away Dell Computer in a similar fashion and have been kicking themselves ever since. Now once again they have proven themselves to be a backward third rate cow town only posturing as a major metropolitan center. What a shame.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; US: Texas
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Stupid rednecks.
1 posted on 08/01/2002 9:37:43 AM PDT by mercy
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To: mercy
What happened? Did the PGA refuse to bring a tournament to town because of bickering over golf courses?

I'm sorry, but your post is not very clear.

2 posted on 08/01/2002 9:40:27 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
Sorry. I'm wrongly assuming the readers may be already aware of this large, but local, issue.

The PGA was going to build three new courses and develop apx four thousand homes around said courses. They had a deal with the area 'powers that be' but have been jerked around again and again with said powers changing the rules and playing field again and again.

Now the land will most probably be develped by the owners in a much more densely populated way ... absolutely free of any city control as the land is outside the city. The county has next to ZERO develpment restrictions.
3 posted on 08/01/2002 9:47:58 AM PDT by mercy
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To: sinkspur
What happened? Did the PGA refuse to bring a tournament to town because of bickering over golf courses?

I'm sorry, but your post is not very clear.


The PGA was going to build a PGA Golf Village in San Antonio. But some anti-growth folks got a petition going to have the issue put on the ballot(orginally approved by the city council), and they succeded. Now the PGA is backing out making San Antonio look like fools. The funny thing is that there will most likely be a golf course built on the same spot but without the environmental restrictions, minimum wages, and all of the other things that the PGA agreed to.
4 posted on 08/01/2002 9:48:25 AM PDT by jf55510
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To: mercy
Stupid rednecks.

It ain't the rednecks. It's the politicians.

5 posted on 08/01/2002 9:52:00 AM PDT by al_c
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To: mercy
3 golf courses and 4 thousand homes = @ $1,000,000,000 in economic activty over the next 3 years they just pissed away.

Not even thinking about the property taxes, greens fees, sales taxes, and other tourist related dollars that would have come in.

6 posted on 08/01/2002 9:53:05 AM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: mercy
imo that is great news for san antonio i don't live in san antonio and have watched most of the debate. i did not agree with the offer to pga it was about pga to hell with san antonio and the good people that pays the bills.
7 posted on 08/01/2002 9:53:14 AM PDT by solo gringo
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To: jf55510
Zactly! I live north of the city and enjoy SA much more than the backward liberal center to my East, Austin. It's a nice town but we wish it had better services/ammenities. Another luxury hotel, maybe a Niemans would be nice. It's not that the city needs more people although there's certainly plenty of room and the roads are there. What they need is more money. This develpment would have brought a lot of money and class to the area. But noooooooo, we can't have THAT. All hail the mediocre and their inveterate class envy.
8 posted on 08/01/2002 9:56:54 AM PDT by mercy
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To: solo gringo
You sound as ignorant as you write.
9 posted on 08/01/2002 9:58:43 AM PDT by mercy
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To: al_c
Actually no. The pols worked hard to make this happen. The murder of this develpment was spear headed by the enviro whackos and they pulled along a bunch of usful idiots whose major motivation is class envy.
10 posted on 08/01/2002 10:00:48 AM PDT by mercy
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PGA pullout rumors fly as scheduling of vote looms
 
San Antonio Express-News
 
Web Posted : 08/01/2002 12:00 AM
 
The City Council is primed to call for a public vote today on the controversial PGA Village golf resort — unless persistent rumors that the Professional Golfers' Association of America is dropping out of the deal prove true.

Forced to consider additional action on the 2,861-acre resort by a successful petition drive and its 77,419 supporters, Mayor Ed Garza and most of his council colleagues have said they back a public vote on the development plan for the resort rather than rescinding the ordinance that established the plan in April.

But much if not all of that backing could disappear if the PGA backs out, as some council members say they have been told will happen.

PGA officials have been mum on the subject; they haven't returned repeated calls for comment.

Garza again said Wednesday that PGA officials have not told him they are pulling out.

"It's all rumors now. None of those rumors are confirmed," the mayor said. "We can't act until there is something official."

If the golfers' association does withdraw, however, rescinding the agreement could be the city's only option, Garza said.

The rumors gained strength Tuesday when Councilman David Carpenter and attorney Bill Kaufman, who has represented resort developer Lumbermen's Investment Corp., said they were concerned that PGA would pull out of the resort rather than face a public vote.

Wednesday, Carpenter again said that, while PGA officials had provided no official confirmation, he remained convinced the association would withdraw its support before the public has an opportunity to vote on the matter.

If that's the case, he said, he would support a motion to repeal the development ordinance so the council could work with the developer on an alternate plan to keep PGA in San Antonio.

"I think we're under a very narrow window to make that happen," Carpenter said.

He was, however, the only council member certain enough about PGA's plans to say Wednesday that he would vote to rescind the enabling ordinance for the resort.

Councilman Bobby Perez said he had heard from an official representing Lumbermen's that PGA intended to get out of the current deal and look at other sites. But he said that information must be confirmed before he would vote against sending the matter to a public vote.

Councilman Julián Castro, a longtime opponent of the development deal, wants to see it sent to the voters.

"I think that's the more fair thing to do," Castro said. "Let's see what San Antonians want to do with it."

But Castro acknowledged he would be forced to reassess his support for an election if PGA drops out.

In the past, PGA has said it is committed to the project and would stay on board as long as Lumbermen's believed the resort was a viable project.

However, many believe that PGA is reconsidering that support after watching the strong opposition to the project, which could lead to a fierce battle at the ballot box.

Wednesday, a spokeswoman for the association said PGA executives were in Reno, Nev., for an association-sponsored golf expo and hadn't responded to her inquiry about any changes in PGA's position.

Kaufman also said he has tried to get an official comment from the PGA without success.

"I have nothing to report other than we don't know anything," Kaufman said Wednesday evening.

He said he remained concerned that PGA would chose to look elsewhere to build its second complex of golf courses and golf teaching facilities because San Antonio had not reached a consensus that showed PGA its plans were welcome.

The resort has become a powder keg politically because it concerns development over an environmentally sensitive area where water seeps into the underground aquifer that provides the city with most of its drinking water and because taxing authority would be granted to developers to help build the project.

Supporters of the resort contend it includes state-of-the-art environmental controls to protect the aquifer and will improve the city's standing as a resort city. Opponents argue that the controls are inadequate and the taxing authority unnecessary.

wpack@express-news.net

 
08/01/2002

11 posted on 08/01/2002 10:02:50 AM PDT by deport
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Your post is confusing. If the development was going to be built outside of San Antonio, then what did the city leadership have to do with turning it down? Were they applying for annexation? Did they need to connect to city water?

I don't know any of the details, but the minute I see something about the PGA asking for a big tax break I tend not to sympathize with them too much.

12 posted on 08/01/2002 10:04:42 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: mercy
This whole thing is sickening. A whole lot of small businesses would have doubled and tripled their business. A whole lot of managers would have become owners. A whole lot of workers would have been able to get their friends and relatives jobs. A whole lot of young couples would have been able to buy their first home. It's just sickening.
13 posted on 08/01/2002 10:04:42 AM PDT by mercy
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I figured it must've been the tree huggers. But the article made it sound like a power struggle.
14 posted on 08/01/2002 10:05:16 AM PDT by al_c
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To: mercy
People were actually going to be able to vote on the issue? Subversive pinkos.
15 posted on 08/01/2002 10:07:14 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: mercy
you are the one that need help you are free to call people red necks and ignorant with out looking them in the eye i wish the fleas of one hundred junk yards dogs infest your arm pitts.
16 posted on 08/01/2002 10:12:13 AM PDT by solo gringo
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To: mercy
These "stupid rednecks" as you call them are concerned about the PGA building over the aquifer, which is a justifiable concern, considering the water shortage problems we have here already. PGA would be exempt from drought restrictions placed on every other SA citizen.If they contaminate the aquifer, Lumbermen's (the contractor) only guarantees to pay up to one million dollars cleanup costs, which leaves the city responsible for the remainder if they pollute the aquifer with pesticides. They were recently cited in Travis County for polluting. Lumberman's tried to ram this through without a vote by the people of San Antonio and the people objected. Petitions were signed to put the issue on the ballot and the city clerk's office tried its best to throw out as many signatures as they could, but they got caught throwing out legal signatures and had to reinstate those signatures back onto the petition. The whole deal stunk. Now rather than face a vote, Lumberman's is backing out. I say fine.

More info can be found at the following link:

Clickonsa.com

Nopga.com

17 posted on 08/01/2002 10:12:56 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: sinkspur
sink, Lumbermen's Investment Corp = Temple Inland, Arthur Temple.
18 posted on 08/01/2002 10:16:05 AM PDT by deport
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To: mercy
I assume you made an asumption when you blamed stupid rednecks for the pullout of PGA. With that in mind, I will tell you that rednecks had nothing to do with it. A coalition of south and east side communists are totally to blame for this happening. They have nearly destroyed any chance San Antonio will ever have to have an NFL team and now this happens. These folks are socialists of the first order with the blessing and help of the catholic church and continuously want something for nothing.
19 posted on 08/01/2002 10:17:42 AM PDT by Dlta4ce
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To: Alberta's Child
Were they applying for annexation? Did they need to connect to city water?

SA could annex it after 13 years and yes they were going to hook into city water. And they would not have to comply with drought restrictions that every one else in SA has to deal with every year.

20 posted on 08/01/2002 10:21:14 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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