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Ford Excursion Near the End, Sources Say
NY Times ^ | July 30, 2002 | MICHELINE MAYNARD

Posted on 07/31/2002 12:49:39 PM PDT by ZGuy

The Ford Motor Company has decided not to build a second generation of the Excursion sport utility vehicle, which is seven feet tall and able to seat a softball team, people close to Ford's future product program said tonight.

The Excursion, cited by critics as the industry's most visible symbol of sport utility vehicle excess, is expected to be discontinued at the conclusion of the 2004 model year, meaning that it will have lasted only one generation. The Excursion was introduced in 1999 as a 2000 model year vehicle.

Sarah Tatchio, a spokeswoman for Ford, declined to confirm whether the company would drop the 19-foot vehicle, which gets 10 miles a gallon, is too long to fit in many garages and takes up two conventional city parking spaces.

"I am not able to talk about the future like that," Ms. Tatchio said. "The Excursion is part of our lineup for '03 and that's all I can say." Reports of the end of the Excursion appeared tonight on WDIV-TV in Detroit. Several industry analysts have also been projecting the Excursion's eventual demise.

Ford introduced the $45,000 Excursion in a bid to grab sales away from the industry's perennial leader in the extra-large sport utility vehicle market, the Chevrolet Suburban. At the time it was conceived, Detroit automakers were enjoying strong sales and healthy profits for sport utility vehicles.

"Detroit went completely cockeyed when it came to trucks," said Christopher Cedergren, managing director with Nextrend, a consulting firm based in Thousand Oaks, Calif. "They thought that if it was a truck, it would sell and make a load of money."

Ford's expectations were relatively modest, however. Given that Suburban sales topped 100,000 a year, it hoped it could sell at least 50,000 Excursions annually. It thought the vehicle, based on the Super Duty Ford F-series pickup, could round out a lineup of vehicles including the Ford Explorer and the Ford Expedition, which seemed petite by comparison.

But the Excursion stumbled from the start, in part because of a wave of negative publicity fanned by environmental groups like the Sierra Club. Even before the Excursion was officially introduced, the group ran a contest on its Web site to choose a nickname for the vehicle. The winner was the Ford Valdez, after the Exxon tanker that ran aground in Alaska.

Tonight, Carl Pope, the executive director of the Sierra Club, hailed the Excursion's pending demise. "I think this is a sign that the age of dinosaurs is about to come to an end," he said.

The Excursion's introduction came less than a year after William Clay Ford Jr., an avowed environmentalist and great-grandson of the company's founder, became chairman in 1998. Mr. Ford found himself in the awkward spot of having to justify the vehicle, which the Sierra Club contended would emit 130 tons of carbon dioxide over its lifetime, compared with 23 for a conventional car.

However, Mr. Ford, who became chief executive last year, defended the Excursion, contending it had received a "bum rap." He pointed to the $15,000 in potential profits that Ford hoped each vehicle would yield, even while acknowledging that Ford was too dependent on truck sales.

But instead of the hoped-for results, industry analysts said Ford most likely lost money on the Excursion. It needed to sell about 40,000 a year to break even. In the first half of this year, Ford sold 15,107 Excursions, down 16 percent from the pace in 2001, meaning it is likely to sell only about 30,000 this year.

Mr. Pope said, "William Clay Ford will go down as the man who was smart enough to kill the Excursion before it became an Edsel" referring to the embarrassingly unpopular Ford car of the late 1950's.

In fact, the Excursion's lack of market success is the key reason why Ford is discontinuing the Excursion, not criticism from environmentalists, said Michael Luckey, president of the Luckey Consulting Group in Pompton Plains, N.J.

While Ford recently ended a streak of losses by posting a modest second-quarter profit, it has warned investors to expect a loss for the third quarter and has embarked on a vigorous cost-cutting campaign. Ford recently announced it was dropping the Lincoln Blackwood luxury pickup truck, which it sold for less than nine months.

"They are looking at everything with a fine-tooth comb," Mr. Luckey said. "If Ford was earning $4 billion to $5 billion a year, it might survive to the next generation."

Mr. Luckey said the Excursion's eventual disappearance did not mean Americans had completely tired of sport utility vehicles, only that they had more choices. A number of vehicles have three rows of seats, one of Excursion's key selling points, but are easier to maneuver, he said.

"S.U.V.'s are going to be very popular, but as far as bigger is better, this could be a sign that people have said enough is enough," Mr. Luckey said.


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1 posted on 07/31/2002 12:49:39 PM PDT by ZGuy
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To: ZGuy
"S.U.V.'s are going to be very popular, but as far as bigger is better, this could be a sign that people have said enough is enough," Mr. Luckey said.

Has nothing to do with size. It's a Ford and it can't compete with GM's Chevy Suburban/GMC YukonXL which is a far more advanced vehicle in all respects IMHO.

2 posted on 07/31/2002 12:56:12 PM PDT by toddst
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To: toddst
It was too big to fit in a garage...kind of a pain in the butt storing it...
3 posted on 07/31/2002 12:56:51 PM PDT by antivenom
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To: ZGuy
Check out the second paragragh of this story...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/725498/posts

Funny the threads appeared about the same time...
4 posted on 07/31/2002 1:00:57 PM PDT by ez2muz
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To: ZGuy
That explains why Ford put so much into redesigning and marketing the new Expedition. Its likely intended as the replacement for the Excursion.
5 posted on 07/31/2002 1:01:39 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: ZGuy
My own favorite nickname for this beast is the Ford "Gargantua". Here's something for you Simpson's fans (note - it may not stay on my ISP for long).

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6 posted on 07/31/2002 1:18:14 PM PDT by Siegfried
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To: toddst
And we have a winner. The Excursion was a POS, and that is why it will die.
7 posted on 07/31/2002 1:23:27 PM PDT by Double Tap
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To: Double Tap
My sister has an Expedition and it is pretty nice. I can't imagine something bigger.

In the same vein, we are looking at a Yukon or Tahoe. The kids have outgrown the Bravada.

8 posted on 07/31/2002 1:26:03 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Double Tap
Yes, and if Ford doesn't get rid of Bill Ford, Jr., the company is going to die.
9 posted on 07/31/2002 1:29:41 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
Hey he has gasoline in his veins according to the Mustang ad. Man's just waiting to appear on TLC's Spontaneous Human Combustion show.
10 posted on 07/31/2002 1:31:56 PM PDT by lelio
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To: toddst
Has nothing to do with size. It's a Ford and it can't compete with GM's Chevy Suburban/GMC YukonXL which is a far more advanced vehicle in all respects IMHO.

Bingo. Tying the death of a badly designed vehicle to the work of environmental extremists is an big stretch. Objective journalism my @ss.

11 posted on 07/31/2002 1:33:38 PM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: IronJack
I sure like my 2003 Expedition. The Excursion was just to big and not as nice as the Yukon/Suburban.
12 posted on 07/31/2002 1:41:25 PM PDT by PogySailor
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To: ZGuy
We test drove the Excursion before we bought our Suburban. They tried to get us to test drive the diesel version(better gas mileage). We had to INSIST on driving the gas version. As we were driving down the road, with the sales person in the car, my husband and I started to laugh. This thing was getting 6 miles to the gallon. We knew this because those design geniuses at Ford put the mpg reading right on the rear view mirror!
13 posted on 07/31/2002 1:45:08 PM PDT by Queen of Excelsior
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To: Wyatt's Torch
Ford just had to be the big boy on the block, and the Excursion had all of the bad traits of the Suburban, yet none of the good. Many people who needed a Suburban grumbled about the overall size, but saw it as a trade-off for more room, and plenty of towing capacity. The Excursion gave virtually the same amount of inside space, as well as towing, but was just too big and Ford never realized that people weren't buying Suburbans because they were big, they were dealing with the gargantuan size in order to have the 'total package' so to speak. Ford didn't study the market to carefully on this one. Look for the Suburban to be around for years to come though. Chevy got it right 30 yrs ago and kept it right. The Excursion was a foolish marketing ploy on Ford's behalf. Hopefully that all made sense ;>)
14 posted on 07/31/2002 1:50:29 PM PDT by Space Wrangler
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To: toddst
It's a Ford and it can't compete

B<> Anytime they pull ANY Ford is a good time. Signed, former Aerostar owner.

15 posted on 07/31/2002 1:53:00 PM PDT by ErnBatavia
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To: *Auto Shop
Index Bump
16 posted on 07/31/2002 1:57:47 PM PDT by Free the USA
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To: Queen of Excelsior
The Excursion is basically an F350 pickup with a passenger box....Ford makes more $ making F350s (which have been selling quite well I understand.) so they have a reason to kill the Ex...that and they didn't build enough diesel versions.
17 posted on 07/31/2002 2:01:47 PM PDT by kaktuskid
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To: ZGuy
Has anybody seen the prototype Peterbilt SUV?

HellofaSUV!

Makes the Excursions and Surburbans look like VWs!

18 posted on 07/31/2002 2:05:21 PM PDT by Taxman
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To: ZGuy
I think that it's too bad if FORD is succumbing to"The Enviro-Wackos".Either that,or they are not doing well vis-a-vis GM.I am on my second(2002)YUKON.I wouldn't drive ANYTHING else!!
19 posted on 07/31/2002 2:06:12 PM PDT by bandleader
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I own a 2001 Excursion and love it. I wouldn't have a gasoline engine in one, but get 17 mpg and up with my diesel. 60K miles and not a single problem. Turning radius stinks, but you can't have everything. And it is one big-honkin' ride! Stop doggin' my Excursion you General Moron enthusiasts!
20 posted on 07/31/2002 2:23:54 PM PDT by metalcor
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