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History of bull markets rife with folly (The Worst Is Yet To Come)
CBS Marketwatch ^ | 30 July 2002 | Tom Calandra

Posted on 07/30/2002 8:24:36 AM PDT by shrinkermd

SAN FRANCISCO (CBS.MW) -- Wall Street says the worst of the stock market is behind us. The brokers' highly paid strategists, sweating bullets, are urging America to buy early and often.

History will demonstrate the stock market's cheerleaders are premature. Just look at the three great bull markets of modern history. The biggest one we know all about: it ended two years ago, and its aftermath has bankrupted thousands of companies and erased $7 trillion or more of American wealth.

The other two great bull markets? One was during America's roaring 1920s, when the Dow Jones Industrial Average rose more than 400 percent. "The Jazz Age was wicked and monstrous and silly. Unfortunately, I had a good time," newspaper columnist Heywood Broun once said.

The dancing and drinking of those follies came to a sober end in 1929, marked in red ink by the October crash. History's other great bull market in stocks was in Tokyo during the 1980s. Japanese stocks (and real estate) pumped fresh air into the term "market bubble."

From 1923 to 1929, the Dow gained about 445 percent. Sure, there were at least six rallies of 20 percent or more in the early 1930s. In 1929, barely a month after the great crash of October, the Dow began an almost 50 percent climb that spanned five months of that year. Other rallies came in 1930 and 1931, when the Dow leaped 35 percent.

Yet the Dow hit its low of the span in July 1932, at something like 41. That level was far lower than the Dow's price nine years earlier: 85 or so. As most veterans of that age tell us, the U.S. economy didn't begin to recover until after World War II, more than 15 years after the October 1929 crash.

In Tokyo, the Japanese bubble drove stocks to about 39,000 on the Nikkei 225 (65599W10: news, chart, profile). That was in 1989, when the Tokyo market sold for 100 times earnings.

Once again, numerous rallies ensued. The Nikkei rose almost 20 percent months after the December 1989 zenith. About a year later, Japan's benchmark index rose by more than a third in a five-month span, into the spring of 1991.

As we know now, the Nikkei hasn't stopped skidding. It's been as low as 9,420 in the past year, and as high as 12,081. The number to remember, though, is where the Nikkei started its amazing run -- 6,850 in 1984 -- before reaching its pinnacle of 39,000.

Our modern American bull market began in 1990, with the Dow (INDU: news, chart, profile) at 2,365. When the 10-year rally began to unravel, the Dow was almost 12,000 -- in January 2000. A total gain of almost 500 percent.

Raging bull markets, when they crash, always end lower than where they started. Yes, Wall Street most likely will enjoy the kind of snapback rallies we are seeing, when the Dow stages 400-point-plus rallies. The upside volume on the New York Stock Exchange Monday amounted to 91 percent of the total -- a testament to the power of program trading, corporate buybacks, short-covering by profitable hedge funds and individuals who pray the worst is over for their fading portfolios.

The folks on Wall Street say this time will be different. That this rally will last. If history doesn't provide the proper context for that pipedream, maybe valuations will.

America's 500 biggest stocks are selling for anywhere between 25 and 40 times one year's earnings, depending on how one accounts for nonrecurring charges. Even at the cheap end of that range, the S&P 500 ($SPX: news, chart, profile) is still selling for more than twice the historical average for a bear-market low.

The highest price-earnings ratio seen at a major market bottom during the past 60 years is approximately 12.5, technician Paul F. Desmond at Lowry's Reports tells me. That was in June 1962. (Read more about tops and bottoms.)

Next time a guy tells you this time will be different, ask if he or she works for a brokerage, investment bank, pension fund or mutual fund manager. If the answer is no, ask when was the last time they made money in this market of sick stocks.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bullmarket; correction; pe
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This seems to be a time for calm reflection.
1 posted on 07/30/2002 8:24:37 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd
The news fakers have been pumping out the propaganda for a week or so. Scares me when they are so desperate to sell a bill of goods.
2 posted on 07/30/2002 8:31:48 AM PDT by steve50
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To: shrinkermd
It is an absolute no-brainer that the current rally, and probably then some, will evaporate with an attack on Iraq. P/E ratios are still high. Keep your powder dry. If you are super anxious about missing the train, start averaging in when P/E ratios get back to normal - at least you won't lose your shirt in the long term.
3 posted on 07/30/2002 8:33:34 AM PDT by eno_
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To: shrinkermd
Yeah, this may be a false rally, but use it! Place a stop loss on your stocks at a higher level. If the stock market continues up, great. If it falls to a new low, you've taken the profit and can buy back in at a lower level.

It's not that hard to make money.

4 posted on 07/30/2002 8:38:09 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: shrinkermd
Meeoooowww, Arrghhhkssspppp, Boiinngg!
5 posted on 07/30/2002 8:42:32 AM PDT by bandlength
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To: bandlength
:)
6 posted on 07/30/2002 8:54:33 AM PDT by Tauzero
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To: Dukie; arete; headsonpikes; razorback-bert; TigerLikesRooster; LS
pong
7 posted on 07/30/2002 8:56:54 AM PDT by Tauzero
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To: bandlength
A deceased feline carum?
8 posted on 07/30/2002 9:30:38 AM PDT by rudypoot
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To: shrinkermd
Come on, if after each major bull market, the market would have to crash to BELOW the level that started the bull market, then the long-term trend in stocks would have to be negative. (And it's not.) Unless, of course, you pick and choose only the few major bull markets that fit your thesis.
9 posted on 07/30/2002 9:35:51 AM PDT by DWPittelli
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To: shrinkermd
You heard the one about how many stockbrokers it takes to change a lightbulb?

Answer: one to unscrew the burned-out bulb and drop it, and one more to sell it before it hits the floor.

Verbum sat sapientis est.

10 posted on 07/30/2002 9:39:06 AM PDT by thulldud
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To: shrinkermd
"Raging bull markets, when they crash, always end lower than where they started."

That's the time to buy!

11 posted on 07/30/2002 9:42:58 AM PDT by Destructor
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To: Dog Gone
"Yeah, this may be a false rally, but use it! Place a stop loss on your stocks at a higher level. If the stock market continues up, great. If it falls to a new low, you've taken the profit and can buy back in at a lower level."

"It's not that hard to make money."

By George- I think he's got it! 'Bout time you woke up!

12 posted on 07/30/2002 9:45:22 AM PDT by Destructor
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To: eno_
"It is an absolute no-brainer that the current rally, and probably then some, will evaporate with an attack on Iraq. P/E ratios are still high. Keep your powder dry. If you are super anxious about missing the train, start averaging in when P/E ratios get back to normal - at least you won't lose your shirt in the long term."

If you make an intelligent investment decision, then you're not likely to loose your shirt in the long term. Your advice will be lost on those who only think in terms of the short term, "get rich quick" kind of investments.

13 posted on 07/30/2002 9:55:37 AM PDT by Destructor
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To: Dog Gone
"It's not that hard to make money."

Mr. Buffet, is that you? ;^)
14 posted on 07/30/2002 9:58:36 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: headsonpikes
What are you doing here? Nobody said anything about legalizing Marijuana.
15 posted on 07/30/2002 10:06:57 AM PDT by Destructor
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To: Destructor
Good morning, twit. ;^)
16 posted on 07/30/2002 10:16:09 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: shrinkermd
Another piece of crap, trying to get Democrats elected, article. These people need to be lined up in front of a wall and shot but unfortunately, they have a lot of help and will probably succeed.
17 posted on 07/30/2002 10:17:29 AM PDT by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: headsonpikes
LOL!
18 posted on 07/30/2002 10:21:20 AM PDT by Destructor
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To: Citizen of the Savage Nation
"Another piece of crap, trying to get Democrats elected, article. These people need to be lined up in front of a wall and shot but unfortunately, they have a lot of help and will probably succeed."

Maybe not. Remember the Dimocrats have drug-addled misfits like headsonpikes on THEIR side!

19 posted on 07/30/2002 10:23:40 AM PDT by Destructor
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To: shrinkermd
A 36 percent decline. The high of the Dow Jones Industrials in 1968 was 985. By mid-1970, it had dropped to 631. This is very much like what has happened during 2000-2001 (through end of first quarter), when the NASDAQ declined by 64 percent and the DJI declined by only 16 percent.

The scary part of this discussion is that most of the 60's "Story Stocks" never recovered. Further, while the DJI bounced back 67 percent over the next 2 1/2 years, it then declined to a level lower than that of 1970. So, if there continues to be a parallel between the two markets, the DJI may not fully recover for many years and most of the Dot-Com stocks may never recover.

See more HERE

20 posted on 07/30/2002 10:36:41 AM PDT by razorback-bert
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