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To: CAPPSMADNESS; ~Kim4VRWC's~; Rheo; shezza; All
If Westerfield has child porn tapes and he keeps them hidden, then that does hint at a problem.

He didn't have child porn tapes.

Some porno CD's were found on DW's bookshelf, one of them had, among 600 meg of porn, the rape scene.

It should be pointed out that Neal has no way of knowing if the CDs he saw are the ones LE "found."

Again, even on the CD, the vast majority was not CP. And it is still not clear that the scene was CP. I haven't seen it, have you? Are we going to just take Nancy Grace's ever-changing word on it?

Again, with a CD full of porn, and only one "questionable" avi, you have to wonder if DW knew it was among the stuff. Neal didn't see it.

I think Feldman wants to throw the case, but come as close to winning as possible. After winning on appeal, in a lawsuit, he will present the orange fiber evidence, the bug evidence, and possibly more evidence (short blue-grey fibers from LE vehicles) to show that LE had good reason to believe that most of the evidence against DW was bogus, but presented it anyway. Means much more to to have beeen found guilty in a railroad than to have been aquitted.

The River chick's testimony is a joke. The fact that the woman's back was hurting is an indicator that she had NOT taken her pain meds. "More" could have been a misunderstanding or "my" or she could have meant more like more since yesterday, when I last took it. Cherokee's Mom's testimony agrees with others and was backed up by credit card records from the resaurant where she ate. Discrediting her doesn't mean much, anyway, other witnesses testified to what she said, she was just more colorful.

I hope Judge Mudd is impeached for the casual way he lets the vaguest, most prejudicial evidence in for the prosecution but refuses to allow defense to examine the crime scene, etc...

I know I may have covered old ground with this post, but I just couldn't make it through the last thread. Out of 1500+ posts, maybe 50 factual posts, the rest banter an flame. Ladies, I used to be so grateful for the blow-by-blow, as I miss most of the testimony at work. Last night I spent most of the evening skimming other people's arguments. I haven't been invited to the chat room, so I don't know if all of the content has moved over there or what.

Kim, I know you have gotten some negative posts directed at you, and they started that thread without pinging you, but I have to say that you are childish to run and tattle, especially since you have done worse in the past yourself. Bottom line, you only object to certain behavior when it is from people who disagree with you.

Anyone: Where do the transcripts get posted? Does anyone know where I can actually get the info from the trial fairly quickly? I would rather just leave the DW persecuters alone on the thread and have time to make a decent supper.

25 posted on 07/25/2002 3:10:58 AM PDT by Yeti
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To: Yeti
You can find the transcripts on signonsandiego.com. I'm not sure how long it takes them to post the transcripts but they are there. There is also video of testimony, PH transcripts, search warrants... its pretty good.

Thank you for your post. I got on last night to make a few comments and the arguing back and forth over who's to blame was still going on.
26 posted on 07/25/2002 4:33:39 AM PDT by gigi
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To: Yeti
Transcripts get posted on UT.. Mash Here
31 posted on 07/25/2002 7:15:29 AM PDT by Jaded
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To: All
The problem with this thread for days or weeks has not been what side people may be on, but the childish and spiteful tone and tenor of most remarks.

As a conservative Christian I do not think Mr Westerfield is a very good example of what an American ought to be, but the Van Dams are obviously much worse. One doesn't expect much in Southern California.

I would not argue that Mr Westerfield is necessarily innocent of anything at ALL, but the idea he could have brutally murdered this girl, mutilated her savagely, smashing out her teeth, etc just does not wash. This was done by someone who hated the girl, was taking out anger on her...not merely by someone who had one too many drinks and went for someone underage. This man had lived there 5 years, and in total 50 years, with no previous record.

Let's face it once and for all, no one entered the Van Dam home and took anybody or anything that night. There is not one wisp, not one scrap, of evidence of that.

When Danielle last left her home, she was walking out on her own to play out front or just down at the local mini-park as she normally did. It was common knowledge that the VD's did not closely watch their kids. An Avila-type perp is a very plausible assumption, much more so than DW.

All of the above, if the Damon did not himself accidentally or in a rage, kill or at least witness the death of, his daughter. If anyone carried her out dead it was he, let me tell you.

If there were one-fourth as much reasonable doubt as there is, an acquittal would be mandatory in any state in USA. This judge has been very prejudicial and would allow any fool thing to be alleged by prosecution, while denying the defense a chance to really build any case at all. Yet the bugs alone would require an acquittal, NOT because they absolutely prove DW innocence, but because they introduce too large an element of doubt for him to be found guilty!

We are looking at around 50% chance of a stranger perp grabbing Danielle as she played locally; around 40% chance that Daddy was molesting Danielle and the crime is related to that; around 20% chance that DW did commit a crime.

BUT: DW never entered the VD home to get Danielle. If he took her it was from a public area, just as any stranger perp would have had to, ...or she voluntarily went with him, stowing away in the MH etc. as not considering him a total stranger or perhaps wanting to go on a ride or trip with him. He might not have even known she was aboard.

Even that would not explain how she was brutalized, or how/who dumped the body on Dehesa Road.

Acquit, and then research this crime as should have been done in the first place, is my word to the SD police. And no more framing of patsies, please.

32 posted on 07/25/2002 7:15:58 AM PDT by crystalk
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To: Yeti
Well said.
33 posted on 07/25/2002 7:16:40 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Yeti
Again, with a CD full of porn, and only one "questionable" avi, you have to wonder if DW knew it was among the stuff. Neal didn't see it.

You must not have heard the computer guy yesterday. The VIOLENT CHILD RAPE stuff was clearly hidden among DWs "Spectrum" business files ("AttacK" 01 to 06 etc) using the same titling and formatting that DW used for his everyday stuff. HE reformatted, titled and hid it, it was not some "automatic download" stuff that he was unaware of.

And the computer guy said that these "Attack" files had been deleted, time of attempted deletion uncertain, but that he had been able to recover them. It's not so easy to scrub a computer clean, although DW tried!

Put down the DW cool aid, and smell the coffee. How many of YOUR friends download VIOLENT CHILD RAPE PORN??

46 posted on 07/25/2002 7:54:38 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Yeti
Transcripts get posted on UT.. Mash Here
50 posted on 07/25/2002 8:02:22 AM PDT by Jaded
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To: Yeti; UCANSEE2; BunnySlippers; CAPPSMADNESS; cyncooper; Valpal1; Amore
yeti, I've never had a reason to believe that you were anything but sincere in your posts. You've always been respectful as the majority of the people on the threads are. My response to your post is not meant for you to take it personal...I have to ask you..tattle about "what"? I did not complain about the bitch is back song, I haven't clicked the abuse button on fresno since MARCH.. (but there were A LOT of abuse button HITS back then by LOTS of people because the threads were battle grounds, period). I DID click it on the post where *I* was accused of raping the victim a few days ago. SO WHAT. The little song and dance about being a tattle tale and censor is bs.I HAVE NEVER tried to censor the subject matter of the thread or posts and if ya don't believe me I give jim rob and the admin mod permission to confirm this. However, If someone says something extremely personal, like the one about me raping a victim, (only one person was so called tattled on and the extremely offensive post WAS removed--) I'll click it again. How often do you think I was accused of clicking it though? It is laughable...If lies are spread and told enough, people tend to start believing them..but I'm sure you knew that. Talk about childish games..wasting an entire thread making sure everyone knows that one thinks the "opposing" debate members are stalkers and blowflies has got to one of the most IMMATURE acts I've seen on FR. It forces us to say OK....these people are distracting the tone of the thread with their stupid angry bs and then expect everyone to just treat them as if they are "maturer older adults" who have the wisdom that comes with age. HA. Maybe you can explain WHY they start the thread with articles, and then attacks with their stupid song parody? There is no LOGICAL explanation. Maybe you can explain how many posts have been removed by the mods?????
53 posted on 07/25/2002 8:05:58 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: Yeti
The thing that bugs me about this CD is that if you think about Westerfield saying he found his side door open, somebody could have planted the CD in his home.
129 posted on 07/25/2002 9:47:49 AM PDT by paix
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