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The problem with this thread for days or weeks has not been what side people may be on, but the childish and spiteful tone and tenor of most remarks.

As a conservative Christian I do not think Mr Westerfield is a very good example of what an American ought to be, but the Van Dams are obviously much worse. One doesn't expect much in Southern California.

I would not argue that Mr Westerfield is necessarily innocent of anything at ALL, but the idea he could have brutally murdered this girl, mutilated her savagely, smashing out her teeth, etc just does not wash. This was done by someone who hated the girl, was taking out anger on her...not merely by someone who had one too many drinks and went for someone underage. This man had lived there 5 years, and in total 50 years, with no previous record.

Let's face it once and for all, no one entered the Van Dam home and took anybody or anything that night. There is not one wisp, not one scrap, of evidence of that.

When Danielle last left her home, she was walking out on her own to play out front or just down at the local mini-park as she normally did. It was common knowledge that the VD's did not closely watch their kids. An Avila-type perp is a very plausible assumption, much more so than DW.

All of the above, if the Damon did not himself accidentally or in a rage, kill or at least witness the death of, his daughter. If anyone carried her out dead it was he, let me tell you.

If there were one-fourth as much reasonable doubt as there is, an acquittal would be mandatory in any state in USA. This judge has been very prejudicial and would allow any fool thing to be alleged by prosecution, while denying the defense a chance to really build any case at all. Yet the bugs alone would require an acquittal, NOT because they absolutely prove DW innocence, but because they introduce too large an element of doubt for him to be found guilty!

We are looking at around 50% chance of a stranger perp grabbing Danielle as she played locally; around 40% chance that Daddy was molesting Danielle and the crime is related to that; around 20% chance that DW did commit a crime.

BUT: DW never entered the VD home to get Danielle. If he took her it was from a public area, just as any stranger perp would have had to, ...or she voluntarily went with him, stowing away in the MH etc. as not considering him a total stranger or perhaps wanting to go on a ride or trip with him. He might not have even known she was aboard.

Even that would not explain how she was brutalized, or how/who dumped the body on Dehesa Road.

Acquit, and then research this crime as should have been done in the first place, is my word to the SD police. And no more framing of patsies, please.

32 posted on 07/25/2002 7:15:58 AM PDT by crystalk
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To: crystalk
Thanks
34 posted on 07/25/2002 7:19:27 AM PDT by Jaded
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To: crystalk
20% chance that DW did commit a crime

Far, far too high on any crime at all relevant to this case. Westerfield's biggest mistake was having anything ever at all to do with the Van Dams. He should have never opened the door for them with the GS cookie sales, he should have never gone to Dad's Cafe once he knew they hung out there. He should have even considered moving out of the neighborhood they live in.

But as to his having anything to do with a crime on the facts so far presented, he is no more likely than any other neighbor in a six block radius, at least.

35 posted on 07/25/2002 7:25:09 AM PDT by bvw
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To: crystalk
We are looking at around 50% chance of a stranger perp grabbing Danielle as she played locally; around 40% chance that Daddy was molesting Danielle and the crime is related to that; around 20% chance that DW did commit a crime.

"We" ? :)
I don't understand where you are getting your percentages from. From what I recall, there is and was no evidence presented in the trial or preliminary hearing that Danielle was molested by David Alal Westerfield or by Damon Van Dam. In fact, there were no charges sought against DAW regarding molestation.
39 posted on 07/25/2002 7:42:36 AM PDT by pyx
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Your post is excellent, and helped me to clarify some of my cloudy doubts about all the contradictions in this case... The only one I have left is why the VDs and the SDPD were so quick to conclude, and then so convinced, that Westerfield did it...

I just can't understand why they ruled out the possibility that she could have gone outside early that Saturday morning, before her parents got up, and been snatched by an "Avila" type...

This seems to equal if not outweigh the possibility that Westerfield was responsible.

Well, I will be following the trial from the refugee site today. Yesterday's thread, read over last night, was not very enlightening. Too much "snarking", if you ask me, and not enough substantial thinking going on...
73 posted on 07/25/2002 8:40:43 AM PDT by jacquej
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"We are looking at around 50% chance of a stranger perp grabbing Danielle as she played locally; around 40% chance that Daddy was molesting Danielle and the crime is related to that; around 20% chance that DW did commit a crime. "

So there's a 110% chance that someone did it?

636 posted on 07/25/2002 2:41:58 PM PDT by El Sordo
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>>>As a conservative Christian I do not think Mr Westerfield is a very good example of what an American ought to be, but the Van Dams are obviously much worse.<<<

So consenting adults who have sex with each other are worse than kiddie rape porn collecting child killers....

Very strange reasoning at work here.

1,166 posted on 07/26/2002 3:55:06 AM PDT by Greg Weston
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