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Bugs: The Best Witnesses? (Westerfield's Son Neal Forced To Testify By Desperate D.A. Dusek!!)
Court TV ^ | July 25, 2002 | Harriet Ryan

Posted on 07/24/2002 10:44:59 PM PDT by FresnoDA

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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Actually that could have been the "we" statement during Redden's interview or the affidavits. Remember in the affidavits it says that the only way he would know about the father/daughter was if she told him. It says in the affidavits that Danielle was the only one who could have told him. That was before the trial...

People speculated that once we found out it wouldn't be as big a deal.

Then again North County Times said prosecution said it was nearly as explosive as a confession.

Ah the accuracy in media. Who to believe?
921 posted on 07/25/2002 5:52:52 PM PDT by Jaded
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To: Jaded
"She wasnt' mummified enough."


The ME should have pointed (on the photos) which parts of the body were mummified, which weren't, etc. It would have been more helpful.

The ME gave me the impression all parts were mummified, which may not have been the case.


922 posted on 07/25/2002 5:53:13 PM PDT by the Deejay
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To: UCANSEE2
WELL FOLKS. Let me explain something. You can possess something and have no interest in it, other than idle curiousity. You don’t have to possess it to be affected by it.

If you do possess it, you WILL view it.

Save your breath, doofus. I was born at night, but not last night.

Why on earth are you defending possession of child pornography?

923 posted on 07/25/2002 5:53:34 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: cyncooper
I live in AZ

Where in AZ. I used to work on the white River Apache Reservation. True ... as a cook! I lived in a little town about three blocks long. A town called Miami, AZ about 80 miles east of Phoenix.

The town was soooo small, the Sears store was a storefront with a refirgerator on one side, a stove on the other and a catalog on the counter. I do not lie. :-)

It was impossible to adjust to coming from L.A.

924 posted on 07/25/2002 5:53:44 PM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: BunnySlippers
Still family owned and absolutely no franchising. Old stick-in-the-mud Americana.

I hadn't heard that, just people that go to CA to vacation always say "if you go to CA you have to go to In-N-Out". We were over your way in February, but never did make it to one. Next time we will if they aren't here yet.

925 posted on 07/25/2002 5:54:33 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: BunnySlippers
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/721708/posts

`It's sick, disgusting and perverted,'' Stayner said sheepishly. ``I know all these things. I can't go to prison for the rest of my life and be happy without seeing it."
Stayner, who played a kind of poker game with agents, told them he had never seen child pornography but the desire to do so had tormented him for years.
Stayner suggested that if he had been brave enough to find some before his string of killings, ``maybe this stuff wouldn't have happened."
He added to his wish list a request that $250,000 in reward money -- once offered for the safe return of the Sunds and Silvina by their relatives and friends -- go to his parents. "My parents aren't too well off,'' he told the FBI agents.

The nerve and ego this guy has is immense.
His parents would have died before accepting that money.
I live in northern CA and not too far from where this happened. In fact a friend of mine went to school with Cary and told me about the hell the parents went through when Steven was kidnapped. They were still looking for him until the day they got the call from a sherriff from another county(?) asking them if they had a son who was kidnapped named Steven. They had kept every christmas present for 7 years waiting for him always praying he'd come home.

926 posted on 07/25/2002 5:55:07 PM PDT by alexandria
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To: the Deejay
HEY NOW!!! The first In-N-Out was started in the 1950's, I think the first one was in Baldwin Park or Azusa?

Since I was born in 1961, I don't know what hamburgers were like in the 1950's..
927 posted on 07/25/2002 5:55:49 PM PDT by gigi
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~

Looking at post mortem changes..this is what he expected a body to look in 4 - 6 weeks..

One week = 7 days
Four weeks = 4 x 7 = 28 days
Six weeks = 6 x 7 = 42 days
January hath 31 days
Date Danielle Van Dam's body recovered = February 27, 2002.
According to Prosecution's "expert" witless witness, Danielle Van Dam was dead between January 16, 2002 and January 31, 2002.


928 posted on 07/25/2002 5:56:01 PM PDT by pyx
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To: gigi
LOL! Oh! your mean... will you get me a hamburger and overnite to me???

You bet. Anything from L.A. (we don't have that much) ... avocados Mexican food stuff ... you know. :)

929 posted on 07/25/2002 5:56:38 PM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: Krodg
hat's probably the dumbest thing you've said yet.

It might interest you to know that was a quote from an attorney that was interviewed on KOGO that was both a defense atty and a prosecutor for murder cases.

930 posted on 07/25/2002 5:59:15 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: gigi
In the 1950's, the cook had no idea what a customer was going to order. Therefore, the cook had to handmake the burger, slice the tomatoes, onions, etc. and cook the FRESHLY made burger.

There's a huge difference in the taste & smell from today's burgers.

Sorry you missed the 1950's......They were the BEST!! If I had a time machine, I'd go back to the '50's and never come back.
931 posted on 07/25/2002 5:59:47 PM PDT by the Deejay
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To: John Jamieson
It not just that some, of his probable death date range is before Danielle could have died, ALL OF IT IS.

Are you sure? The Anthropologist today said 4 to 6 weeks from the time the body was found.

Body was found 2/27 so four weeks would put us at 2/1. Six weeks would put us at 1/20 or there abouts.

932 posted on 07/25/2002 6:00:52 PM PDT by Spunky
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To: Spunky
What you say above is why I hope you didn't let the doctor put you on BP medication yet. So many times a person goes to the doctor and has a high reading and they say you need medication. You need to take readings throughout the day and then determine if it is to high most of the time.

Thank you for caring enough to respond. I ( a Catholic girl) have an old Jewish doctor who even wears a yamulke. He put me on 2.5 Altace then wanted to see me (still too high) ... then he put me on 5 mg Altace and probably still too high.

Top number in the high 140's. I'm letting him guide me otherwise I will go back to my doctors at Cedars Sinai.

Do you have any recommendations on HBP?

933 posted on 07/25/2002 6:02:09 PM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: John Jamieson
I disagree, especially in a death case. "beyond reasonable doubt" which has been described as "to a moral certainty" is required.

Good point. As a member of the public I vote guilty ... but if I were a member of that jury I honestly don't know what I would vote. But I can definately tell you I would NOT vote for the death penalty for DW even though I firmly believe he killed that little girl.

934 posted on 07/25/2002 6:04:53 PM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: Stiv
It sounds like his testimony set the stage for the defense experts. Maybe the DA should have spent a little more time getting his facts together, before he filed charges.
935 posted on 07/25/2002 6:05:39 PM PDT by Krodg
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To: John Jamieson
It not just that some, of his probable death date range is before Danielle could have died, ALL OF IT IS.

Astute, and directly to the point. Outstanding.

936 posted on 07/25/2002 6:05:48 PM PDT by Stiv
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To: UCANSEE2
They make the leap from possession of PORN (without any proof he ever viewed any of the allegedly illegal PORN) to MURDER.

The best thing for you to do is to QUICKLY advise DAW's top notch attorney, Feldman, Esq. to get the necessary experts to go before the jury, and state there is no statistical correllation, between CHILD porn possession, and child molestation/child rape/child murder.

As for me, one way or the other, I have no idea. You may be entirely right, or dead wrong. One reason I can't tell, is that you provide no EVIDENCE.

It doesn't really matter what you scream at the FR readers, as far as the jurors in this trial are concerned. And at the intuitive level, I expect the jurors are mightily swayed by the audio/visual experience of viewing the CHILD rape scene, from Westerfield's bookshelf.

For weeks, I have been discussing the trial, with a female co-worker. CHILD porn pushes her button, like no other single aspect of the trial. She says there is porn, but CHILD porn is entirely unacceptable, to her. Exactly the same with my wife. Were they jurors, you see the impressions left, if Feldman does nothing?

FYI I'm not much impressed by Feldman, yet. Maybe he will rise in the home stretch, with brilliant closing arguments. The SaveDave gang needs him to do this, or face, IMO, a hung jury at best.

937 posted on 07/25/2002 6:06:08 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: gigi
I used to live in So. California... I miss In n Out also! But I REALLY miss Carls Jr. I would give anything for a Western Bacon Cheeseburger. Also loved The Mad Greek resteraunts. When I was pregnant both times, I just about went crazy craving all of the food I used to eat in California!

mmm now I'm hungry!

938 posted on 07/25/2002 6:06:23 PM PDT by Mrs.O'Strategery
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To: the Deejay
You were saying how sugars and carbs are bad, I agree, I have a George Forman Grill and it makes great hamburgers, chicken breast and alot of other things. It really helps if your following a low carb diet.

I had a thunder storm come through this afternoon and three power outages, I missed alot of testimony. What did you think?
939 posted on 07/25/2002 6:07:15 PM PDT by gigi
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To: Krodg
Are you suggesting that you will believe the third bug guy but not the one hired by the prosecution or the one that backed him up?

No, my reference to real bug guy was intended to highlight that todays witness wasn't a bug guy but rather an expert in a different field.

I expect that Goff will tie together the missing pieces and be able to explain why the old two bug guys got there dates, why todays guy got his range and why the date should be back to the disapearance date.

If he doesn't then the pros went to a whole lot of trouble setting the stage for nothing.

940 posted on 07/25/2002 6:07:25 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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