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CBS Anchor's Links to Green Group Criticized
CNSNEWS.com ^ | 7/23/02 | Marc Morano

Posted on 07/23/2002 4:06:13 AM PDT by kattracks

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To: Bigg Red
If anyone has any examples of damage or extremism that they are responsible for I'd appreciate hearing about it.

How about The Wildlands Project? That's extreme. TNC was instrumental in funding it.

81 posted on 07/23/2002 3:13:03 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: sauropod
Re: post no. 59. newriverfriends.org, nodarbyrefuge.org, klamathbasinincrisis.org ....

Shall I go on?

Go on all you want. If you want to convince me that I am wrong though... you are going to have to put more thought into it than rattling off website names. Are you making allegations about NC?? - If so, name them, prove them... I am not going to do the research for your allegation.

If you know of sins NC is committing, name them.

82 posted on 07/23/2002 3:22:25 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: sauropod
Explain the Bitteroot fire of 2000. Explain why it happened. On public land.

I cant explain it, I don't know about it. Apparently you do... Is this a test? - Are you trying to convince me that you are right, or just setting us up as adversaries? - I am not an adversary, but a possible ally. I am listening, sell your thinking to me.

83 posted on 07/23/2002 3:29:43 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog; countrydummy; Carry_Okie; Grampa Dave; AuntB
Uh, No. I believe it was you who stated that you didn't believe that there were cases where lands were being yanked out from under the feet of "willing sellers."

I will not do your homework for you. I pointed you in the direction. It is up to you to learn the truth.

84 posted on 07/23/2002 3:33:24 PM PDT by sauropod
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To: kattracks
"When you are talking about CBS, you are talking about a piece of bird seed," Osgood stated.

Ahhh. I see. So it's a matter of degrees. Osgood labels it a paltry sum so that makes it ok.

BTW kattracks, good post. You've been hitting them out of the park lately.

85 posted on 07/23/2002 3:36:29 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I like the babbling brooks and the songbirds signoffs myself .. They have had moose on also.
86 posted on 07/23/2002 3:38:06 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: HairOfTheDog; AuntB; GrandmaC; redrock; Carry_Okie; madfly; kitchen; cowpoke; Movemout; NMC EXP; ...
The Bitteroot fire of 2000 happened because certain environmental groups espoused a "no burn" policy that built up the fuel loading and caused the canopy burn in Montana.

Also, in Washington State, there was a fire that was burning and about 10 firefighters were sent in to fight it. Four ended up dying because bureaucrats in DC dithered over scooping up water out of a local creek (there was a possibility of scooping up a fish that was endangered). The four made tents in the forest to try and survive after they were cut off from safety by the fire.

They were immolated.

87 posted on 07/23/2002 3:38:35 PM PDT by sauropod
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To: sauropod
Um, OK, we are at a stalemate. I think if you make allegations that an organization is corrupt, you ought to be able to post short description of the allegation with some facts to back it up.

I have seen descriptions of nameless gray haired ladies being strong-armed, and a list of 10,000-word websites to check out on my own time. I don't have all day to research this issue. If you wanted to convince me, you could describe an example in a paragraph... I thought you might want to share the knowledge you already have, not assign me homework that I don't have time for.
88 posted on 07/23/2002 4:07:54 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog; sauropod
Honestly, if you won't buy a book and read it, then you are too lazy to be convinced by anything I might tell you here.

If I provided you a series of oversimplified examples, you would "what if" them to death, or keep asking for more proof, and ask me to keep digging for you. Then you would walk out, "not convinced." Meanwhile, I invested $300,000 of my own money in putting that case together in as concise and readable form as I could. In it, I showed the misbegotten results of the environmental movement and how the system benefits wealthy investors using tax-exempt funds at public expense. I isolated the philosophical and economic principles involved and proposed an alternative system, showed how it might work, suggested an implementation strategy, and stated in unmistakable terms what is at stake if we don't do something about the environmental movement soon. I even gave you a source of free samples.

You want it all for free, you want it simple, and are too lazy to go read the freebies. All are typical of an urban environmentalist land-thief. You clearly don't care enough about nature or your freedom to make such an investment and I won't waste more valuable time trying to convince someone incapable of doing their homework.

89 posted on 07/23/2002 4:08:01 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: sauropod
RE: Bitteroot..... Thanks for the description. I agree with you about bad science in forestry leading to the highly fueled fires we are now having, and I agree with you over endangered species wackos losing the forest for the trees.

Is there a tie between that and NC-type land preservation? - Or is that a side issue? - It is OK if it is.
90 posted on 07/23/2002 4:12:53 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Carry_Okie
If I provided you a series of oversimplified examples, you would "what if" them to death

No, but you might get me interested in your ideas and why you think the way you do. I am neither urban or lazy. Only pressed for time and hopeful that all of you who seem to know so much about the evil of NC could give me so much as a paragraph describing the scene. Until this morning I didn't even know their name, only heard about their concept. a few hours later, after asking you to describe your your claim that they are corrupt, I am lazy if I have not already bought a book on the subject. Excuse me.... I was working in between.

91 posted on 07/23/2002 4:26:29 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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And I am off now for a few hours, but curious.
92 posted on 07/23/2002 4:27:44 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: kattracks; Howlin
Osgood described the CBS philanthropic arm's gift of $15,000 to the TNC as "paltry."

Wasn't Americans getting a $350 check called "extreme"?

93 posted on 07/23/2002 4:31:35 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: sauropod
Truely ignorant. It's spelled 'truly'.
94 posted on 07/23/2002 5:00:42 PM PDT by IncPen
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To: kattracks
Charles Osgood

Calling Ann Couler! Calling Ann Coulter!

95 posted on 07/23/2002 5:06:29 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: genefromjersey
If post 21 is accurate, you have been had, and all the negative posts here are true.
96 posted on 07/23/2002 5:38:54 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross
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To: steve in DC
This is one of those partial truths that mislead. The Nature Conservancy actually does take privately raised monies and purchase tracts of land. However, they then encumber those lands with covenants on the deeds that run with the land, and then they sell the encumbered properties to the States and to the Federal government for cash.

I was re-reading this thread, and saw your post.

Let's be clear that the villain here is not the Nature Conservancy, tho clearly that point can be argued by principled people.

The villainy here is the Federal Government.

97 posted on 07/23/2002 6:29:04 PM PDT by IncPen
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To: HairOfTheDog
There is a tie, my friend. And thanks for being willing to listen.

There is much to learn. Unfortunately, we (at least I) live in a country where the press is supine on matters like this.

FRmail my friend Carry_Okie (Mark) about this. Dave

98 posted on 07/23/2002 6:54:53 PM PDT by sauropod
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To: IncPen
Spelling correction noted and applied.
99 posted on 07/23/2002 6:55:33 PM PDT by sauropod
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To: IncPen
Re: Post #98. TNC is an enabler.
100 posted on 07/23/2002 6:56:22 PM PDT by sauropod
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