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KGW TV ^ | 07/22/2002 | KGW Staff

[backhoe]

Dave, I'll add a link directly to #23 in the next email I send out- probably in the morning. People need to read this stuff, and get educated.

[Archie Bunker on steroids]

Latest from the toolbox/Winter/Grizzley

Fire fighters have done an incredible job saving structures & homes. Devastation is beyond imagination to those that have not seen a large scale western forest fire (yellowstone) Fire crossed highway 31 (Paisley area) a few times. Human resources have backed off a bit as fires are converging. Once fires converge, direction of spread is difficult to predict- putting people at risk. The fires are burning some nice deer hunting grounds to the dismay of the Jack Piners here at Klamath. Thunderstorms have hit the area - serious winds/significant temp drops/hail and just a tad of rain.<p.Governor Catslobber on scene today admiring the results of his policies.

[jaz.357]

Thanx for the new search site. I get all the good stuff from my fellow frepsters! Thanx also to you Gramps for the fire update. I just sent info to my Family. You do wonderful work.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the heads up!

[Grampa Dave]

One of the benefits of being a freeper is the help that we get and the new ways to see things. Blackie thanks for the new search site.

[Grampa Dave]

The good thing re deer hunting will be the next 3-4 season after this winter's rains. Deer hunting after a burn becomes incredible.

[Grampa Dave]

Their own data re their own agendas is like a huge trail of blood leading to their dens.

They have been pushing this no roads agenda, no timber agenda and nothing taken from the earth agenda for 2 decades now. They brag about their wins with these agendas and raise money based on their agendas being implemented.

If we had a press that presented the truth 10% of the time, there would be no envirals bragging about their poison agendas.

So it is up to the good people like you to spread the word.

[Grampa Dave]

Can you imagine what Gray Fascist Davis would do if he couldn't get his daily dose of several thousand megawatts from Bonneville Power. Plus Bonneville is doing all sorts of things with that extra money and the power we send back up north each night.

Re the wilderness society and the so called gains due to no roads. They are the same as World Com and the liars on Wall Street. They have lied about the great profits that the roadless areas had for Oregon. The retirees didn't move up there for the roadless Druid havens. They moved there because property was cheaper than down here in Kali and the lack of a sales tax.

The anti business behavior of the Oregon enviral governor, Andy Kerr and the fascists of the ONRC have chased away a lot of business and killed the heavy construction industry in Oregon.

Their lies are typical of the lies throughout the nation during the lies of the Clintoons. Also, their lies came before the bust of the Nasdaq.

This data re their lies needs to get out. However, since they took credit for the gains, it proper to blame them for the crash of the Oregon economy which can be documented to their anti logging, anti raw materials and anti business agendas.

Out of work in Oregon, go tell your story to an enviral. He cost you, your job!

[Grampa Dave]

There isn't much to threaten re humans and their resources in that area. So they probably left a couple of guys with a 4 wheel drive, some fire equipment, cell phones and a map to keep the Fire Boss appraised.

[Grampa Dave]

If you can think of any more descriptive key words, please add them.

The enviralists and liberals hate it when we nail them with key words that describe them and their agendas with no wiggle room.

[Chad Fairbanks]

Yeah... sounds reasonable...

This is turning into a pretty bad year for fires... a lot more than I recall in quite a while, if I'm not mistaken...

[Archie Bunker on steroids]

One thing this smoke did was help Sunday's fishing. The smoke has blocked out the sun on the lake. The result was eight fish in three hours including a 28", 8 lb monster- Bunker's largest. A 25.5" gem complemented that fish.

[Robert357]

The heavty smoke acts as a conductor, and the electricity will arc out from the lines and down to the ground.

The dust, especially if carbon, is a conductor. The big concern for utilities is that conductive dust will build up on "insulators" and will cause a flashover at where the wired (conductors) are connected to the transmission towers.

I got an emergency message indicating a derating of one of the major interties to California due to fires among my email I downloaded today. If there were a heat wave in California this could become significant.

[Salvation]

From katu.com

July 22, 2002

National Guard troops to join firefighters

PAISLEY, ORE. - Touching down from a helicopter tour of fires across Oregon, Gov. John Kitzhaber urged Congress to boost its commitment to preventing future blazes in the nation's forests.

"This is as much a war as the war we are fighting in Afghanistan,' Kitzhaber said at Paisley High School, which houses 814 firefighters hoping to contain the 31,500-acre Winter Fire in the Summer Lake Basin of south central Oregon.

"Congress has got to put in a permanent appropriation to keep resources coming" for National Fire Plan prevention programs, he said, calling for thinning forests of combustible material.

Kitzhaber touched down in this high desert town just as 250 National Guard troops from the 82nd Armored Cavalry based in Redmond were setting up their tents for mop-up operations.

"This is why I joined the Guard, helping people out when they need help," said Cpl. Thomas Reasons, 25, a grocery store manager who left his wife and two sons back in Sweet Home.

Billeting in cots standing just 12 inches apart underneath olive drab canopies, the troops were assigned to extinguish smoking stumps and hot spots around houses that stand surrounded by black ash on the narrow corridor along Oregon Highway 31 between Winter Ridge and Summer Lake, where the fire burned hot last week.

"We do want to make sure the fire is out around those houses," said Oregon Department of Forestry spokesman Tom Berglund. Assigning the National Guard to mop up "puts our more seasoned firefighters more into the heat of battle."

In Paisley, Kitzhaber met privately with horse rancher Dan Napier, who lost a hay barn, shop and chicken coop to the flames. Napier believes precious time was lost in launching the firefighting effort as the U.S. Forest Service and Oregon Department of Forestry argued over who should take responsibility.

Deputy Incident Commander Danny Benson said he knew of no such delays, adding that the Forest Service and Department of Forestry in the Lakeview region enjoy a good working relationship.

At an earlier stop in the southwestern Oregon rural community of Ruch, Kitzhaber praised homeowners who prepared for fire by clearing brush, thinning timber, and replacing shake roofs with noncombustible materials. In part because of those preparations, none of the 215 homes in Ruch were evacuated in the face of the Squires Peak Fire.

Kitzhaber said these fires show the need for Congress to boost resources for making forests throughout the West healthier and more resistant to fire.

"This isn't due to lighting strikes," Kitzhaber said. Instead, the fires are the result of unhealthy forests that need thinning and prescribed burns to return to their natural state, which is less susceptible to wildfire.

"This is a huge problem. Unless you make the forests healthy, you're going to face this risk every summer," Kitzhaber said.

As he flew in a Blackhawk helicopter over the Squires Fire to the Upper Applegate Grange Hall near Ruch, he noted that areas where there had been commercial thinning only suffered mild damage from ground fires. He said the forests that were loaded with combustibles suffered major crown fires.

Environmentalists have opposed some thinning projects where the Forest Service planned to cut big trees, which are best able to survive fire, or damage fish and wildlife habitat.

"As you know, I am pretty Green and I get whacked over the head for that sometimes, but the fact is burning down a forest doesn't help fish habitat," said Kitzhaber, who has sided with the environmentalists on some issues.

Homeowner Matt Epstein blamed threats of legal action by environmentalists for keeping forest agencies from doing the proper thinning, saying that steps taken by homeowners on their own property are not enough.

"If you were dealing with 1,000 acres nearby that haven't been thinned," Epstein said, "then you're just throwing pebbles in the ocean."

(Copyright 2002 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

[Grampa Dave]

Thanks, I posted this a new thread about an hour ago, (I don't know what the deal is with our posting clock sometimes)

Here is the link to this as a thread with the interesting remarks made by the Green Poster boy, Katznslobber: (Link to Katznslobber sounding like he may be breaking away a little from his green eco terrorist buddies!)

[Grampa Dave]

You know, we fisher people are truly pyscho, and that includes me.

[nunya bidness]

Don't catch too many, remember they're endangered.

Take care up there.

[Archie Bunker on steroids]

The trout aren't endangered, the suckers are. I throw the suckers on the bank for the hawks and release the trout back to the lake.

[AAABEST]

"Druid Cathedrals" ...lol.

The good science on the forest dictates that humans are good for the environment. We groom, clean and maintain natural areas if we have access and it's in our interest to do so.

[AAABEST]

LMFAO!!!

I just noticed your key words. Too funny!