Posted on 07/19/2002 10:35:43 AM PDT by cherrycapital
We fed our babies whenever we needed to! By the way, don't think women didn't die from mastitis and other complications. Heck, evan dairy animals die from mastitis.
That's not true, Gaston does repeatedly state that he is Melissa's biological father. Where do you see anything regarding DNA?
You claim Gaston "was missing" the first 4-5 years of her life, yet you don't know this to be true. Yes, she WAS taken from her biological mother when she was around 2, lived in a foster home for a year, then went to live with her father for about a year before they took her.
You don't know if he visited Melissa when she lived with her mother. Although there are some things we don't know concerning the time prior to Melissa living with her father, there's NOTHING that shows that he was unfit, abusive, or neglectful.
Now that he's survived to the ripe old age of 8 I can allow hard objects in his room. (ie: furniture) ;-)
You've done a pretty good job of making one of yourself, so I'm sure we've had quite an audience watching...
BTW, as you promote Gaston's techniques--you know, how to lose your childen and go to prison in three easy steps--
I've never said I promoted their techniques. I've said that their child Melissa is in state care and should instead be with her family, Wilbur and Pamela Gaston. There is no reason why she shouldn't be with her family. The Gastons have exhausted their funds on lawyers apparently and have been resorting to whatever legal measures they can to get their daughter back. What would you do if it were YOUR child?
have they paid any of the half a mil they owe to Spees for her successful defamation judgment against them? And do you know how much interest has accrued on that judgment?
I'm sure they have a stay on the order until the appeal is heard, and I have no idea concerning the interest.
It hasn't been established that he ISN'T the biological father.
Once it was established that he was not the biological father, exactly what parental rights did he have to terminate?
His name was on the birth certificate, and he's the only real father Melissa has ever known.
This, of course, would be the dream of those who have been named as the father of a child, get divorced & are paying child suport, then find out later that they aren't the biological father and are STILL stuck paying child support. The irony.
Obviously Wilbur Gaston loves and cares about his little girl.
It all depends if they win their cases in the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. If they get a couple of million or so, perhaps they might just prove you wrong.
And if you think that folks that walk in to a courtroom to arrest a judge are going to get anywhere with the US Attorney's office in bringing criminal charges against me, my only comment is BWHAHAHAHAHA! But please try it.
I don't mean the Gastons. I mean if say the FBI or DOJ is investigating possible corruption and racketeering in the State of Oregon. You appear to be actively defending various players here, so maybe you have some sort of vested interest in this case?
Oh, you do mean in a REAL court, don't you, not one of those fakey common law courts, right?
Yeah, I mean REAL court.
Many men who AREN'T the biological father are listed on birth certificates who are never called into court to have their names removed by a judge. Once a child bonds with a parent, a judge can't make that go away with a stroke of a pen. It HAS obviously happened here, and is highly dubious as to its legality.
Sealed juvenile records are protecting Will Gaston from his actions being made public. He may not have been criminal but his fitness was certainly in question. Since he had no legal custody since birth, he had no right to keep her if he was deemed unfit. The state had assumed responsibility for Melissa in Gastons absence. Melissa was just one year old when her mother's rights were terminated, she was removed from the home prior to that.
We did all of this 2 weeks ago. Here are the final eighty posts of that conversation.
Apparently the woman has been out of jail for a few days now, and the she may not be in any pain whatsoever. We needn't rush off to do the bidding of just any agendized organization seeking an emotive response, and the governor of Wisconsin doesn't have to be FReeped over this non-issue.
Very interesting. You claim their case is at the 9th Circuit, yet RGSpincich says he cannot find any record of the Gaston's appeal to the 9th Circuit:
The Gastons have, however, been found guilty of defaming Ms. Hazel Spees and owe her $500k and change in the judgment rendered against them. Ms. Spees continues to teach elementary school with the full support of parents and community inspite of the lies publicly aired against her by the Gastons. No record of the Gaston's alleged appeal in 9th Cicuit Court of Appeals can be found by me. The true facts of the defamation case must be present in the appeal package. That is probably why the Gastons have not pursued it or have just not published the appeal at their site.
So to help us along in verifying that this case is actually at the 9th Circuit, what's the caption of the case? What's the appellate case number? Which judges have been assigned to the case? What was or is the briefing schedule? Where are copies of the briefs or an url to a copy of the briefs the Gastons have filed (they'd have to file two: their initial brief, then a reply to the respondent's brief)? Is this case going to be scheduled for oral arguments or is it going to be decided on briefs only? If it's gone to oral arguments, when is the hearing scheduled?
I can't imagine why the Gastons would keep this secret; however, this would also be public record at the 9th circuit and RGSpincich can't find a trace of the case at the appellate court. What's the deal?
That's not true, Gaston does repeatedly state that he is Melissa's biological father.
Others who assume that he is the biological father may make statements to that effect. Gastons do not. They hinge their statements on "Legal guardian" and other such generic terms. Will's legal claim results from the service agreement that he had with the state to "maintain" Melissa for a year.
Gastons are not shy about exploiting anything that may benefit them. If he was the biological father it would be front and center and mentioned at every turn. That would be far more effective than claiming that social services was selling babies on the "black market". Gaston knows that if he attempts to claim that he is Melissa's biological father the state may have a great big child support bill waiting for him. May 20, 1990 - September 30, 1999. That may be what's keeping him honest (sort of) on this front.
Where do you see anything regarding DNA?
When Wilbur Gaston first obtained custody of his daughter from the STATE in l994, the STATE lied and forced DNA tests to be obtained, all the while, Wilbut Gastons name was on the original birth certificate from the beginning.
8. On September 30, l999, more than two years later, Melissa was still not released and parental rights remained intact, judge Fred Avera conducted a sham hearing for termination of parental rights. The morning of the hearing, some discovery was produced, with no time for Wilbur Gaston to study or prepare a defense, as usual for juvenile courts of no due process.
The judge did not care that Wilbur Gaston could not have possibly been prepared, and continued with the sham trial without a jury.
Gastons never give the results of the DNA tests, leaving one to believe that Gaston may have been excluded. The termination of his parental rights and the removal of his name from the birth certificate help to support this conclusion.
In 1998 Hazel Spees, correcting earlier testimony, testified that Gaston was not the biological father. She probably became aware of this fact as a result of her contacts with social services. To combat this testimony Gaston did not produce DNA evidence to support his fatherhood but rather chose to rely on Spees earlier testimony. In earlier testimony, Spees had incorrectly assumed that Gaston was the bilogical father because his name was on the birth certificate.
Spees denied on the stand that Gaston was the biological father of Melissa.
Bottom line is that DNA tests were done and Gastons aren't touching the results with a ten foot pole. The results are sealed to the general public so one must evaluate the resulting actions that were taken. Parental rights were terminated and Gaston’s name was removed from the birth certificate.
FormerLurker, if you need some help, sometimes the appellate case number is called a docket number. All you have to do is ask the Gastons for their appellate case number or appellate docket number and we can look it up for ourselves at the 9th Circuit website.
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